Pravin - "It is Bitcoin's time, nothing can stop an idea whose time has come and we're here!"

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Financial independence, retire early it's a group of people who

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decided to live on half of their income

or less than half of their income.

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And pool that money into stocks or

equities or whatever it you feel most

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compelled that it's the best asset.

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The FIRE movement people were saying once

you reach the million dollar point,

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then you can live off 4 percent and then

you'll be able to earn 40, 000 a year.

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And you'll be straight.

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But in 2019, 2020, with the pandemic.

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like So much money was printed I was

like, there's no way we're going to

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be able to just withdraw 4 percent if

inflation is 10, 15, 20 percent for

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food, some food items went double.

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We're dealing with hundreds

of percent of inflation.

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And I was like, I'm not sure about this.

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I might have to go back

to the drawing board.

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Tali: Praven, thank you so much

for joining us on Orange Hatter.

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I can't wait to dive

into your Bitcoin story.

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Welcome.

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Pravin: Thank you for having me, Tali.

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Tali: Let's start by telling us a little

bit about your personal background so we

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can To understand where you're coming from

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Pravin: Hello world.

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My name is Praven, I grew up

in Georgia, and I'm currently in

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the beautiful central Florida.

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And probably from the age of 15, I've

been working, I mostly did retail,

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restaurants, and I spent, at the height of

my career, I was at Aflac in accounting.

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I start learning about Bitcoin

around the time that I went to school

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for massage therapy, spa therapies

seaweed wraps, all that good stuff.

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And while I was in class, on my way

coming home from school, I saw an ad

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about Bitcoin, I think it was on CNBC.

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And they were talking about

Bitcoin hitting a dollar.

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This was in 2011.

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And at the time I

was what is Bitcoin and.

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Does it matter if they hit a dollar?

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I have a dollar right here.

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I don't need a digital dollar.

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I know, right?

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Yeah that's pretty much where

it started in: 2011

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out about Bitcoin on the news.

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Tali: wow, okay So I don't even

remember when bitcoin was a dollar

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because I wasn't paying attention

back then so what happened after that?

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Pravin: Really nothing, because at

the time it wasn't important to me.

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I didn't understand the value behind it.

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I didn't understand why I would even

need something like Bitcoin, other than

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the fact that people were talking about

it, on the news , but I brushed it off.

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And that was pretty much it

for a while until fast forward.

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I think in 2017, around the time

my husband and I had either just

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got married or were about to

get married, have a wedding.

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And his best man asked us if we were

into crypto and I was like no, I

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don't really believe in that stuff.

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You can't print money out of thin air.

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And he was like, I got some and,

I got dada, at this time it's

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considered an alt coin or a shit coin.

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He was like yeah, I got some and I'm

making a lot of money and, I was like,

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all right, I hope it works out for you.

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But inside I was like crypto is

such a scam, that was the time.

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And but I, when I, I kept thinking

about that moment, cause that

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was a pivotal moment for me.

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I was, I just kept thinking about

what I said like, you know, you

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can't print money out of thin air.

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What is money?

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Where does it even come from?

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I started to look into what is money

at that moment and I googled Bitcoin.

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He had said crypto, but in my

mind, I immediately thought of

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Bitcoin and I pulled it up and

I saw that Bitcoin was 17, 000.

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From a buck, from a

dollar, it was 17, 000.

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And it was the biggest

slap in the face for me.

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I thought that I had missed the bus

and I was like Oh man, I probably

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should have looked into that sooner.

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But I just kept holding onto that.

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What is money?

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And I start researching, comparing

Bitcoin to the dollar and trying

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to just get my mind wrapped around

exactly what this thing is.

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So I went from there and I did

still buy it at that moment.

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I was still pretty much just

trying to figure it out, but I knew

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enough to see, okay Bitcoin, there's

only 21 million of those and with

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fiat, the dollar, it's unlimited.

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Then I started learning about other

countries and what happened, in

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Venezuela, what happened in Weimar,

Germany, what happened in Zimbabwe,

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what their currencies and how it just

devastated a lot of people when their

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currencies are collapsing and having

to change currencies multiple times.

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I thought how awful that was and how that

can possibly happen to us here in America.

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And I was like,, yeah, I've really

got to look more into this thing.

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And then after 2017, the very

next year in: 2018

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only a couple of months from it.

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I saw that Bitcoin had crashed to 4,

000 from 17, 000, and I was , See, I'm

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glad I didn't put my money in there.

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I was already going right back.

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So Oh, I'm so glad I didn't

put my money in there.

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I know that it was, there's something

to it, but I'm just, I'm glad I

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didn't buy it at 17, 000 and then

have to ride it down to 4, 000.

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But so I'm still trying to

battle with, this Bitcoin

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thing and how volatile it was.

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The next year or within the

next few months or however.

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It was 13, 000 and I'm still

doing my research at this time.

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And I was also a part of the

FIRE movement at that time.

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And so we had already had an idea a

little bit about inflation that we had to

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keep up with inflation and investments

and all, but at that moment, it was so

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much happening all at once, once I saw

that it had hit 13, 000, though, I was

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like, okay maybe there's something to it.

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This thing is not dying.

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So let me take another look

at the Bitcoin thing and.

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I was like,, okay if it can

reclaim its rightful place at

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17, 000, I'll know it's for sure.

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It's legit.

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So I I got a notification on my phone, a

few months later that it had hit 16, 000.

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And I was like, okay, this is my chance.

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I'm going to do this thing this time.

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I'm going to go for it.

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So my husband and I talked about it.

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We start moving accounts around

and we made our very first purchase

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of Bitcoin in the winter of 2020.

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I think it was around December or so.

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That was it.

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We were hooked then, we were in.

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We just kept learning and figuring

out about self custody and.

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Then I found the Bitcoin community and

I start really enjoying that part.

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I enjoy it the things that they

were saying, it resonated with

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me, their values align with mine.

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And there's all these pocket communities

of Bitcoin too, where , you have one

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group that's into seed oils and then

you have another one, it's you have

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to put your feet on solid ground.

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Like, Take your shoes off and connect

with the earth and get your body fit.

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It's just so exciting seeing all

of these different people from all

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around the world, all these different

backgrounds that have such a passion

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for Bitcoin and the economies.

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And I start learning about El

Salvador and about different.

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Countries that are all coming together

, trying to get themselves out of a tough

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spot when it comes to inflation coming

to the realization that Bitcoin is going

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to solve a lot of these problems that

we have, because there's been a lot of

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bad practices with money, both here in

America and other countries from really

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the beginning of the centuries, because

the more I start looking into Bitcoin is

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I had so many questions and I'm coming

from a Christian background anyway.

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And so this helped me to really do

more of a deep dive and learning

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about how the world works and how

the money system even got started.

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And then I started learning about

the fall of Rome, which everybody's

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talking about on Tik TOK now, but

it's really also in the Bible.

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Like It talks a lot about what

happened with Caesar and how he

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was chipping off the gold coins and

causing inflation with everybody.

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And the borders were wide open

towards the end of an empire falling.

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Not just Rome.

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It goes all the way back to the Sodom

and Gomorrah, things that happened in

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Egypt, all the famines and how food

was scarce and people was panicking and.

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How the emperors and the kings at the

time, they took those opportunities

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to enslave people and to cause

all these different heartaches

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and all these different problems.

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And it's just copy and paste.

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It's just been happening

for centuries and centuries.

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And just having that realization,

it's just, it was crazy.

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And then I'm not sure exactly at what

point, but at some point I came across

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something that Satoshi Nakamoto wrote on

the Bitcoin blockchain when he was talking

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about the things that was happening

over in Europe, on the brink of the,

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I think it was the third bailout at

that time or second or third bailout.

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And he put a note in there in that

section about Romans: 12:21

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not being, overcome with evil,

but with overcoming it with good.

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And that just, it, I have

goosebumps when that moment when

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I saw that it was just so awesome.

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I was , wow, maybe Satoshi Nakamoto

was inspired by the Holy Spirit

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in order to create Bitcoin for us

in order to be a safe boat to get

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out of a corrupt monetary system.

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And I just been going down this rabbit

hole even further, learning more

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about the economy, learning more about

monetary policy, learning about how

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our federal system, manipulate interest

rates and the boom and bust economy

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and about the differences between the

Keynesian economics versus the Australian.

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So it's just been a lot.

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It's exciting.

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And I don't really understand how

Bitcoin works, on a technical scale,

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but I know, I don't know how my

cell phone works on technical scale.

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I don't know how the internet works on a

technical scale, but I don't really care.

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Like As long as it works.

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And as long as I know that,

okay, there's 21 million coins.

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It's released slowly over time.

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And the last one is not going

to be mine to the year: 2140

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So this is going to be something

that's a gift to all of us, not just

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us in this current, generation, but

for all the generations behind us,

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it's something that's going to really

help us out a lot when it comes to

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protecting our purchasing power and

protecting our freedom and yeah.

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Tali: I can feel your passion

coming through the microphone.

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It's actually very contagious.

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It's wonderful.

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Okay.

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I just, I want to circle back.

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You covered a lot.

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So I want to circle back to that moment

when you started asking yourself questions

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about the monetary or just what is money.

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I don't think that's a very common

thing because most people don't stop

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to ask themselves that question.

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So if you go back, it was 2017 when

you started asking that question,

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Pravin: Yes.

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Tali: what in your personal experiences

prompted you to chase that question?

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Pravin: Figuring out what

investments and all, we knew that

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we had to keep up with inflation.

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A lot of the FIRE movement people

were saying that, okay, once you

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reach the million dollar point, then

you can live off 4 percent and then

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you'll be able to earn 40, 000 a year.

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And then you'll be straight.

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But after some time, and especially

after what happened in: 2019

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And 2020, with everything that

happened with the pandemic.

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So much money was

printed during that time.

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And I was like,, there's no way

we're going to be able to just

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withdraw 4 percent if inflation

is 10, 15, 20 percent for food,

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some food items went double.

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And so we're dealing with

hundreds of percent of inflation.

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And I was like, I'm not sure about this.

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I might have to go back

to the drawing board.

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And I was also reading books

The Millionaire Next Door.

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I was reading Robert Kiyosaki's

book Rich Dad Poor Dad.

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So I had a little bit of information

about it already about money, but I just

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never asked more questions about the

essence of money, the history, the deep

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history of how money is and how money has

changed from different things over time.

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How at one point it was seashells

and how another point it was , they

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use salt as currency and they've

used different things over time.

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So it doesn't have to be.

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A paper fiat, it was gold at one

point, we know what happened back

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in, I think it was like 1971 when

gold was removed from the dollar.

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And so it's just over time it's

changed, but it's up to what the

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community says money is , whatever

we see as what value is.

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And we exchange value for value.

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Tali: Can you explain

what the FIRE movement is?

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You mentioned it a couple of times.

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I'm not familiar with that.

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Pravin: Yeah.

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It's mostly known as choose fi.

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FI and it's pretty much financial

independence, retire early.

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And it's just a group of people from

all over the world who decided to

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live on either half of their income

or less than half of their income.

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And you just pretty much pool that

money into either stocks or equities

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or whatever it is that you feel most

compelled that it's the best asset.

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And at that time we were doing the total

stock market, which was the DTSA X.

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And so it's pretty much the uh, Well,

there was two really, cause we split ours.

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,most of the community was using VTSX,

which is the total stock market, but we

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were also using the S& P 500 as well.

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So we had it split between the two.

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And the S& P 500 is just the 500 best

stocks, the best performing stocks.

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So you have your Apple, your

Microsoft Tesla is part of that now.

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And so it's just the big hitters and the.

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Total stock market is just

pretty much everything.

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So instead of you having to pick one

particular stock and knowing how to

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do research and on exactly what's a

good company and all of their earning

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stuff, you pretty much just cast your

net wide and just buy all of them.

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But eventually.

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I no longer aligned with just buying

all of them because when you're buying

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all of them, you're also buying tobacco

companies, you're buying different

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pharmaceutical companies that you may

not feel so strongly about anymore.

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And so we no longer want it to be

a part of the total stock market.

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So we pretty much streamlined back.

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And then we went more, so just Tesla.

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And then when we figured out Bitcoin, we

started to Move it more splitting between

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Tesla and Bitcoin to have a part of both

systems because we're not sure exactly how

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long it's going to take for Bitcoin to get

where we want it to be in our lifetime.

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It looks it's going to be much sooner

than later at this point, but just

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going by comfort level, we want it

to make sure we had a good balance

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in the portfolio so that we felt

protected in one way or the other.

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Tali: So it sounds like it took

you about two to three years of a

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lot of research keeping an eye on

how the Bitcoin market is moving

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before you jumped in with both feet.

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Now, when you and your husband

were discussing going into

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the Bitcoin space with such

commitment, what was his reaction?

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Pravin: Actually, he was saying

stuff about Bitcoin before I

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did but it just took me longer.

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I'm just so apprehensive and I

guess I'm a little stubborn too.

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I had already gotten comfortable

with the idea of, okay, we have our

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investments that we can even retire early.

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Now we can move to Florida.

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Everything is set.

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I didn't want anything disrupting that.

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And so it took a little while longer

for me, but it, but eventually I.

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I decided, okay yeah, I think

you're, I think you might've

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been on to something with this.

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And then I just ran with it.

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It got to the point that I was

researching stuff for hours of the day.

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I was watching the simply Bitcoin podcast.

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I was watching swan Bitcoin.

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I'm looking at all these ways

that you can earn free Bitcoin

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with the Bitcoin magazine have,

they have the articles you can read

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and you can earn Bitcoin from that.

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The tender games, then

the fold card came out.

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So I was like I can put all our expenses

on fold card and then we can earn Bitcoin.

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So it was just all these things.

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And I was spending a lot of time.

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I think maybe it was a couple of

times I didn't even eat because I

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was just so excited about this field.

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I was so excited about

everything that was happening.

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Wow, how did I miss this for so long?

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Because again I've knew about it since

: 2011

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this, I had over a whole, what, 13 years,

12, 13 years of information, just all

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at once that I was trying to consume.

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Tali: So now that you're fully in

it You are also now trying to spread

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Bitcoin to other people, sharing it with

Precoiners, sharing it with your church.

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Tell us a little bit more

about what you're doing.

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Pravin: Yes.

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So I have a couple of Bitcoin t shirts

that I wear and whether I'm just going to

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the grocery store or if I'm on vacation

in Alaska, I'm wearing my Bitcoin tees

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and I'm going to different merchants.

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If I'm going to a coffee shop, I'll

ask them, if they accept Bitcoin.

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I know they don't accept Bitcoin,

but I'm going to ask them

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anyway, just so I can make it.

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Normal for them to, have people ask

them about Bitcoin and for them to

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see the Bitcoin logo and, I'll repost

a meme on Twitter or I'll post Bitcoin

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content, Bitcoin education, either on

my social media, Facebook, Twitter,

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YouTube, anyway I can spread it.

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My church also have their own app

called school app, which is Twitter

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and it's just for our church.

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And so I'll post anything there

that's relevant also to the

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Bible to just to keep it connected.

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I just try to spread it and talk

about it with my family and friends

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and anyone who will listen, really.

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Tali: So let's talk about

the church specifically.

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There's the group, Thank God for Bitcoin

that are both Christian and Bitcoin and

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trying to spread the good news about.

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The good news about

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Pravin: Yes.

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Tali: Especially when it comes to

missionary work there's a lot of

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obstacles financially that they

would have to overcome to support

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their missionaries overseas.

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What is it like for you trying to

share Bitcoin with your church and

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the general Christian community?

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Pravin: I've been sharing, that was one

of the books I've been reading, I've

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been reading, thank God for Bitcoin.

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And I've shared that with my church,

let them know that, things like

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Bitcoin Christians exist and that,

there's something that they might

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want to look at because a lot of

people are talking about inflation.

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That's one of the biggest prayers that

we have in our community is people asking

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for prayers over financial problems

and hardships that they're having.

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People are being evicted.

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People are struggling to pay

their bills and electricity costs.

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They're talking about how their

electric bill is two, 300 and they

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don't know what they're going to do.

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And so I want them to know what

the reason is behind that is

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something wrong with the money.

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And actually people will say the

money is broken, but the money really

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isn't broken this is systematically

designed to be this way to make the

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rich richer and the poor poorer.

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So I just want to make them aware hey,

this is what's happening with our monetary

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supply and this is what happened to other

countries before us and is what's going

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to happen All of the other currencies are

going to pretty much fall into the dollar

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because the dollar is the strongest of

all of the currencies at this moment.

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But eventually it's going to, it's

going to get to the point that the

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dollar is also just as worthless as

probably the currency in Weimar Germany.

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Like Historically this has

happened over and over again.

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For centuries, countries' bad

monetary policies have caused

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their currencies to collapse.

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And I want to make my church aware that

this can happen to us here in America

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as well, and I want them to be aware of

what's happening and what the solution is.

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And that solution would be Bitcoin.

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Tali: so when you talk to them

about that, what is their reaction?

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What is the number one objection

or question that you hear?

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Pravin: They are mostly concerned

about the volatility of Bitcoin.

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They don't really understand the ins

and outs, but the number one thing

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that I hear them say is the volatility.

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But then I have to remind them that

both currencies are volatile, Bitcoin

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is volatile, and the dollar is volatile,

but Bitcoin is volatile to the upside

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over time, and the dollar is volatile to

the downside, so I've pretty much been

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like, you have to pick your volatile.

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Tali: I've never heard it put that

way that the dollar is volatile.

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Has anybody asked you

to explain that further?

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Pravin: No, they just stare.

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Or, They'd be like,, okay.

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Or they might fart it or something.

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Cause that's pretty much the end of

it there, but I'll still go on further

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to tell them more about Bitcoin and

also to give them resources that

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they can look more into, what it is.

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And also show them Christian based

stuff that's related to Bitcoin, the

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thank God for Bitcoin and different

youTube channels that they can see

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and talking about just whatever.

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I feel that person that kind of

resonate with their personality

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and what can help them out.

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Tali: And Have you been able to

convince them that it is worth

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the risk of the volatility.

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Pravin: I think so.

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So far that no one said,

no, I'm not interested yet.

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So I feel like, just like when I'm

evangelizing about the gospel of

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Christ, you're either watering a seed

or you're planting a seed or you're

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actually saving a soul, you're either

planting, watering or saving the soul.

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So it's the same when it comes to Bitcoin

is you you're planting a seed there.

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And it's up to them what

they're going to do with it.

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Or if they've heard of Bitcoin before,

and they're just, on a fence and they're

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not sure, then just giving them some new

information of resources that they can

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use, maybe it's watering that seed of

their curiosity about Bitcoin, and maybe

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they'll take it a little bit further.

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Besides just asking a few

questions and they'll actually

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put some action behind it.

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And maybe, for some people that

little information that we give them

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is enough for them to be like you

know what, that makes a lot of sense.

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: 00:23:08

And I think I'm going to go ahead and just

buy 20 a Bitcoin and see how it works

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: 00:23:13

from there while I'm doing some research,

but I try not to be pushy about it.

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It's up to them.

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Everybody has to have

their own experience.

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They have to go down

their own rabbit hole.

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And, it took me over a decade in

order for it to actually click for me.

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So I'm in no position to judge there

is so just however people come to

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it is their individual journey.

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Tali: Yeah, that is so true.

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: 00:23:35

I'm just really curious because You

are so proactive and so intentional

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: 00:23:40

about managing your money.

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: 00:23:42

And that's such a tough place to be

for most of us to be that disciplined.

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Can you walk us through your mentality

when you even came across the FIRE

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: 00:23:53

movement in the first place and why

you decided to put yourself in that.

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: 00:23:57

It sounds pretty rigorous what you guys

were planning to do and very intentional.

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What was your mentality when

you entered into that program?

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Pravin: Yes.

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They talked a lot about inflation

and about how a lot of people,

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they wait or they work all their

life and then they end up having to

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retire at maybe 60 or 70 years old.

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: 00:24:19

Or in some people, they never get a

chance to retire because, they're just

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: 00:24:23

so focused on buying material things

and they're not really focused on making

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sure that their financial health is good.

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: 00:24:31

And I was like,, man, I don't want to

have to wait until I'm 70 to retire.

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: 00:24:36

I was comfortable with living on half my

income in order to pull more money into us

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: 00:24:42

investing so that we can retire a little

bit earlier, much earlier than that.

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: 00:24:47

And so that's what did it for us, just

understanding that, all of the things that

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we had, all of the stuff that's on our

kitchen counter, that used to be money.

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: 00:24:56

All of the clothes in my closet, all

of the shoes, all of the purses, all

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: 00:25:00

of the trinkets, all of the gadgets

that was all money that was spent.

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: 00:25:04

We made a decision at that moment

to either buy a thing or buy

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: 00:25:08

back our life, buy back our time.

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And that was important to me.

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: 00:25:13

so we decided this was our best

option is to go down our budget,

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seeing what we can cut out of our

budget in order to invest our money.

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And then we both had things

that we were not going to cut.

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We were still going to travel.

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Cause that was important to us.

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: 00:25:27

So the travel budget was going to stay

and things like clothes that wasn't

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as important to either one of us.

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So we cut back on our clothing budget.

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We cut back on buying

new shoes and things.

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Plus, as we were seeing that,

okay, these are hours of our life.

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It's not things anymore.

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It's literally hours of our life.

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And so once that clicked for us, we

started to shift some stuff and I wanted

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to keep chocolates cause I love chocolate.

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I love chocolate.

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I like coffee.

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So I would keep those.

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And then we would cut our food budget.

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We cut other things and we pretty much

when we get a steak, we would cut it

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up so that we would still have steak,

but it would just be a smaller amount.

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We had more rice and

vegetables or whatever.

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And so we just made those

different types of things.

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We didn't buy a lot of

gifts and stuff anymore.

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Our gift for each other was our

time together and knowing that we're

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going to be able to retire one day

and move to Florida and be close to

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: 00:26:23

the theme parks and close to being

able to travel and take cruises.

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That was our goal.

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And so we decided to live on

half of our income and we did

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that for almost five years.

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Tali: That is so impressive.

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I am so impressed by your commitment.

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That's just absolutely incredible

and mind blowing actually.

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: 00:26:40

So are you able to convince

your children to do the same?

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: 00:26:44

Are they on board?

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Pravin: I hope so.

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They consider it our

Bitcoin, their Bitcoin.

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: 00:26:50

So they know that they're

going to inherit it anyway.

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So it was difficult to get them to

understand but so we're working on

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them because we will want them to

be good stewards with our Bitcoin.

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It's all of it belongs to God anyway.

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: 00:27:02

We're all just here stewarding

his wealth, but I also want them

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: 00:27:05

to know this is how you'd make a

transaction and this is how you.

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: 00:27:09

Keep your seed phrase safe and, the

importance of not putting your Bitcoin on

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: 00:27:13

platforms where they promise you interest

and then they end up rug-pulling you.

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: 00:27:18

So I want them to

understand that part of it.

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So we're, it's a work in progress.

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: 00:27:23

They're teenagers.

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And so they're more interested in,

doing things with their friends.

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: 00:27:27

And they're looking for

cars at this point now.

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: 00:27:29

So it's a process with them.

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: 00:27:32

Tali: I have teenagers and early

20s, 20 years, what do we call them?

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Early 20 years.

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: 00:27:37

But yeah.

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Yeah, they still see the world.

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differently.

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: 00:27:42

Anyway, we have the benefit

of decades of experience.

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: 00:27:45

We're looking backwards.

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: 00:27:47

Okay, so let's talk about all the

stuff that you have experienced after

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: 00:27:51

fully entering the Bitcoin space.

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: 00:27:53

You mentioned that there are

different pockets of Bitcoiners

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: 00:27:55

you have really connected with.

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Can you talk a little bit more about that?

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: 00:27:59

Pravin: Yes.

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: 00:28:00

There was a video that I believe Natalie

did about seed oils and about Fiat foods.

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so this is a pocket of Bitcoiners

when it comes to like being more

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health conscious and things like that

and having a fit mind and a fit body.

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: 00:28:15

And it changed the way

that I looked at stuff.

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: 00:28:18

I didn't know that the oils that I was

putting in my body was causing us to

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: 00:28:23

become sick, and so I start looking at

the seed oils Hey, what is a seed oil?

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: 00:28:28

And I start looking at, okay, that means

canola oil, vegetable oil, all those

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: 00:28:32

oils are trash for your system and that

you should have more healthy fats, beef

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: 00:28:37

tallow and avocado oil and just using

real grass fed butter, grass fed beef.

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: 00:28:44

There was another one on the beef

initiative that we learned about steaks

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: 00:28:48

and making sure you know where your

steaks are coming from, where they're

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: 00:28:51

sourced from and making sure that

they're grass fed and grass finished.

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: 00:28:54

Cause that was a thing too.

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: 00:28:55

A lot of companies will say

that it's grass fed beef.

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: 00:28:58

And then you found out the last

Six months of the cow's life,

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: 00:29:02

they did grain fed and you don't

know what's all inside that grain.

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: 00:29:06

So just trying to be more aware of

what are we putting in our body?

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And , I know a lot of

Bitcoiners are also keto.

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Keto helped me a lot with getting

into my wedding dress for a while.

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Cause I was, I think I was a

size nine and the wedding dress

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: 00:29:21

that I bought was a size six.

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: 00:29:22

Cause it was the only one that

they had in stock and it was

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: 00:29:25

the one that I wanted so much.

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: 00:29:26

So I did keto for almost two

months in order to fit in my wedding

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: 00:29:30

dress and now I'm happily married.

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: 00:29:33

And I was able to fit in my dress.

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: 00:29:34

So keto definitely works.

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: 00:29:36

It should be more of a lifestyle,

but if you're just trying to do a

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: 00:29:39

reset of your system, , that

was really beneficial to us.

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: 00:29:42

And just cutting out a lot of the

junk food that we was eating, or at

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: 00:29:45

least trying to eat it more sparingly

and being aware of what we're doing.

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So we're making a conscious

decision at that moment where

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: 00:29:51

they're, what we're doing.

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: 00:29:52

Tali: My struggle with knowing Fiat

food versus healthy food, and trying

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: 00:29:57

to put money into Bitcoin is that

the fiat food is cheap for a reason.

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: 00:30:02

It's been subsidized.

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: 00:30:03

It's been super processed.

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: 00:30:05

It's very convenient.

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: 00:30:07

It's less expensive versus do we

invest in buying grass fed beef or do

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: 00:30:13

we just buy some crackers and those

squeezable cheese things, you know,

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: 00:30:17

What I'm saying you can buy beef

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: 00:30:18

Pravin: Cheesy.

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: 00:30:19

Tali: Yeah, you can snack on beef

jerky, which is quite expensive.

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: 00:30:23

Or you can snack on crackers, and then

there's this kind of pull in either

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: 00:30:27

direction, especially, when you're

raising kids and you become aware of

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: 00:30:30

these things, eating healthy is expensive.

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: 00:30:34

Pravin: It is our grocery bill has

doubled over the last few years.

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: 00:30:38

And we're buying basically the same stuff.

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: 00:30:40

It's just the price of it has doubled.

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: 00:30:42

And and I just wonder man, how

are people really making it?

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: 00:30:46

And then TikTok responds to that

because there's so many videos

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: 00:30:50

with people are talking about how

hard it is just to be able to keep

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: 00:30:53

up with just the staple stuff.

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: 00:30:56

You go to the grocery store and you buy a

couple of basic goods and it's 90 bucks.

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: 00:30:59

And it's something that would have

cost 20, 25 just a few years ago.

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: 00:31:04

And then you hear about people in Canada

and the stuff that happened with them.

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: 00:31:07

It's really rough and we

have the reserve currency.

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: 00:31:10

That's what makes it so bad

is we are here in America.

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: 00:31:13

We have all this financial privilege and

we're struggling here as a collective.

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: 00:31:18

And then we think outside the box,

outside of that privilege to people that

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: 00:31:22

are in countries that have developing

currencies or developing economies.

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: 00:31:26

And I just.

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: 00:31:27

I feel so bad for them and I pray often

for the world because it's just in

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: 00:31:31

such a broken state and people are all

searching for something to fill that

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: 00:31:36

void and they're filling it with a lot

of things that are just no good for them

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: 00:31:40

and a lot of that is because they don't

know their identity in Christ we're

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: 00:31:43

like Heirs to the kingdom anyway, and

a lot of people don't understand that.

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: 00:31:47

They feel they're removed from God

or they feel they're just stuck in

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: 00:31:52

whatever rut that they're in the moment.

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: 00:31:53

And they feel so alone and so

feelings of rejections and feelings

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: 00:31:58

of just despair because it's.

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: 00:32:00

It's everywhere you look, people

are saying the same thing and it's

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: 00:32:03

really bad and it's hard to see it.

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: 00:32:06

Tali: It's really interesting to think

that especially in the health arena

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: 00:32:09

everybody's looking for solutions, and

we are questioning what's happening

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: 00:32:14

today because, at least for some people,

access to it medical care without

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: 00:32:19

insurance is near impossible unless you

want to go into death forever and ever.

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: 00:32:24

And so alternative health

practices that we have been

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: 00:32:28

discouraged to pursue before.

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: 00:32:30

An example would be using

herbs or adaptogens.

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: 00:32:34

Not very long ago, we were highly

discouraged from doing that.

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: 00:32:37

Meditation was highly discouraged.

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: 00:32:39

Oh no, you can't empty your mind because

the devil will go in there and you know

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: 00:32:43

that verse in the Bible where it says if

you clean the house and you don't fill

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: 00:32:47

it with something, you're basically just

cleaning it for a bad spirit to come in

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: 00:32:51

.

a lot of people are looking for answers and they're all just doing their very

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: 00:32:55

best to consider different alternatives.

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: 00:32:58

Pravin: yeah, that's what it is.

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: 00:33:00

It's everybody is just so busy with

trying to get their basic needs met.

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: 00:33:04

That they can't think beyond that

moment, they're trying to pay rent,

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: 00:33:08

they're trying to make sure they

have food on the table for their kids.

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: 00:33:11

And so a lot of times they're not

interested in other things trying

602

: 00:33:15

to figure out okay, what's really

going on at the root cause?

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: 00:33:19

What is causing this?

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: 00:33:20

And to be honest There's this happened

so many times, like copy and paste, like

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: 00:33:25

I said, for centuries and centuries.

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: 00:33:26

This has been happening from

biblical days about what's been

607

: 00:33:29

going on with bad monetary policies.

608

: 00:33:31

But at the root of all of this is really

back to the basic of it is good and evil.

609

: 00:33:37

There's huge forces that is causing a lot

of this stuff that we're experiencing.

610

: 00:33:43

And this is the time that the devil has

his reign, he has already lost the war.

611

: 00:33:48

We know that God wins in

the end, he's already won.

612

: 00:33:51

He won on the cross, but the devil is he's

so busy because he knows that he's lost.

613

: 00:33:56

So see, he's just trying to

get as many souls as he can in

614

: 00:33:59

order to distract people with.

615

: 00:34:01

These different things in order to

just keep them in despair and keep them

616

: 00:34:06

like , just exhausted with life that

they don't even really have the energy to

617

: 00:34:11

even look at things on a broader level.

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: 00:34:14

Tali: Yeah, that's one of the things

that I actually discussed with a vet

619

: 00:34:18

tech that I told you about who came

into our waiting room and started asking

620

: 00:34:22

me about crypto and how it's different

from Bitcoin and things like that.

621

: 00:34:26

And we were chatting about the mentality

of trading crypto to try to capture profit

622

: 00:34:32

and the fact that all of us nowadays

tend to feel like we have two jobs.

623

: 00:34:37

We have one job to earn money

and then another job to try

624

: 00:34:41

to keep it somehow and you're

625

: 00:34:44

Pravin: Exactly.

626

: 00:34:45

Tali: And you're already exhausted

from the first job because you're

627

: 00:34:48

working your butt off for that.

628

: 00:34:50

And then when you then have to think

about how to keep your money, you

629

: 00:34:53

start to look for shortcuts, because

how many hours in a day do we have?

630

: 00:34:57

How many hours in the day can we focus our

mental energy and when you take shortcuts,

631

: 00:35:01

that's when you get burned sometimes.

632

: 00:35:03

Pravin: Exactly.

633

: 00:35:04

Tali: it's what you're saying, we're

just we're so distracted by surviving

634

: 00:35:08

that I feel Bitcoin is actually a

simplifier, because you don't have

635

: 00:35:13

to, you do have to research, and you

do have to do your homework and get

636

: 00:35:17

Pravin: You do

637

: 00:35:18

Tali: But once you Decide that is the

right thing you can use it without

638

: 00:35:22

having to work more for it you

can preserve your wealth with it.

639

: 00:35:25

So if you convert your Dollars into

Bitcoin you don't then have to keep

640

: 00:35:31

working to maintain its purchasing

power you can just go Okay, I'm done now

641

: 00:35:36

Pravin: exactly.

642

: 00:35:37

Cause it's basically just math . We're

still learning about Bitcoin because

643

: 00:35:41

this is so many moral levels as

beyond our understanding of it.

644

: 00:35:45

But the base level of just the fact

that there's only 21 million and

645

: 00:35:49

how every four years, the amount

of mine supply is cut in half.

646

: 00:35:54

That was even something

that was new to me.

647

: 00:35:56

When I first started to figure out

Bitcoin, it took me another year or

648

: 00:35:59

so before I learned about the halvings

and how Bitcoiners celebrate the

649

: 00:36:04

halvings every four years, with big

parties and celebrations I know the

650

: 00:36:07

next one is going to be in El Salvador.

651

: 00:36:09

And like, just learned about all the

different communities and economies

652

: 00:36:12

that are growing on top of that.

653

: 00:36:15

It's just, it's so exciting that the

energy that's behind this project and

654

: 00:36:19

just knowing that there's going to

be more levels built on top of it.

655

: 00:36:22

There's the base level, and then

there's the lightning network, and

656

: 00:36:25

then there's probably going to be a

third one, and it's just going to grow

657

: 00:36:28

beyond our capacity to be able to even

understand how big this thing can be

658

: 00:36:33

for the fact that the way, how it's set

up is designed for you to just become

659

: 00:36:38

wealthier and wealthier over time.

660

: 00:36:41

And Bitcoin, I said, it's

on a world stage right now.

661

: 00:36:44

So everybody is watching and

trying to see what's this about,

662

: 00:36:47

what's about to happen with it.

663

: 00:36:48

We have so much institutional adoption.

664

: 00:36:50

That's about the pretty much catapult

this thing, especially right around

665

: 00:36:54

the time is halving an event.

666

: 00:36:56

You have companies now able to hold

Bitcoin on their balance sheet and

667

: 00:37:00

not be penalized by this, whatever

law it was that they anytime Bitcoin

668

: 00:37:06

goes down, they were dinged for it.

669

: 00:37:08

But when Bitcoin goes up, they

didn't get any benefit or reward.

670

: 00:37:11

And now whatever the law

that is, is about to change.

671

: 00:37:14

And so now companies are.

672

: 00:37:15

able to hold Bitcoin

on their balance sheet.

673

: 00:37:17

And so I really want the plebs, the

little people to get Bitcoin as much

674

: 00:37:22

as they can before this happened.

675

: 00:37:24

So that's why another reason why I'm so

passionate about it, because I want the,

676

: 00:37:28

us I want this, the regular people to

be able to get on this lifeboat before

677

: 00:37:33

BlackRock has all of it, or Thank you.

678

: 00:37:35

Different companies and institutions

are able to just grab it all.

679

: 00:37:38

And then it'd be difficult for the

average person to hold a whole Bitcoin.

680

: 00:37:43

It's already hard enough now.

681

: 00:37:44

If you can just have a 10th

of a Bitcoin, you're probably

682

: 00:37:46

going to be pretty much set.

683

: 00:37:47

But of course, the goal is to have that

one whole, the one whole coin, which is

684

: 00:37:52

important to so many people, but those

Satoshis are going to be very valuable.

685

: 00:37:57

So just try to get as many as you can.

686

: 00:38:00

Tali: I feel the same urgency

because once they step in in.

687

: 00:38:03

They are moving so much money at one time.

688

: 00:38:07

Pravin: Yes.

689

: 00:38:07

Trillions of dollars.

690

: 00:38:09

Tali: And we're little guys.

691

: 00:38:10

We're everyday guys.

692

: 00:38:12

We are feeling the pain when

the gas goes up by five cents.

693

: 00:38:15

So yes I feel the same urgency and

I definitely can feel your passion.

694

: 00:38:20

So what are you doing right now

actively on a daily basis to share

695

: 00:38:24

a Bitcoin other than with your

church and also with the merchants.

696

: 00:38:27

Pravin: I post Bitcoin

content as much as possible.

697

: 00:38:30

I retweet things.

698

: 00:38:32

I started, I have a little baby YouTube

channel, I'm trying to get both the

699

: 00:38:36

gospel out there of Christ and I'm trying

to also explain to people about Bitcoin.

700

: 00:38:40

So yeah.

701

: 00:38:40

Yeah.

702

: 00:38:40

I'm showing different things that

they can, anything that's coming

703

: 00:38:43

up in the media or any type of

newsflash, especially what just

704

: 00:38:48

happened with us hitting the 33

trillion mark in our U S debt clock.

705

: 00:38:54

So that's something that I've been sharing

to let everybody know Hey, we were just

706

: 00:38:58

at 32 trillion a couple of months ago.

707

: 00:39:01

We just spent a trillion

dollars in three months.

708

: 00:39:04

Is this registering to anyone?

709

: 00:39:06

How fast this is going?

710

: 00:39:07

They have to keep printing at this point,

the interest that we're paying on our

711

: 00:39:11

debt is equal to our military spending.

712

: 00:39:15

It's something that's

just going to keep going.

713

: 00:39:16

And I want people to know hey, this

is happening really fast, , it

714

: 00:39:21

happens gradually and then suddenly,

it can literally be overnight

715

: 00:39:26

and we're in hyperinflation.

716

: 00:39:28

We just never know when that

moment is going to come.

717

: 00:39:30

So it's best to have Bitcoin and to start

understanding it before that moment comes,

718

: 00:39:36

Tali: what is the name

of your YouTube channel?

719

: 00:39:39

Pravin: I have it as Praven underscore

Yeshua underscore BTC because I'm on

720

: 00:39:45

a mission to spread Bitcoin to Bitcoin

Christians the most, because I want

721

: 00:39:50

God's people to have Bitcoin the most,

so I'm spreading that and I'm showing

722

: 00:39:57

them ways that they can get free Bitcoin.

723

: 00:39:59

And also like just sending them

a few stats, before we used to

724

: 00:40:03

have something called faucets.

725

: 00:40:04

Now this was before me, but I know that

there was different accounts that you

726

: 00:40:07

can go to and You can receive five

Bitcoin a day just by entering a captcha.

727

: 00:40:12

You just hit a button and then

they'll send you free Bitcoin.

728

: 00:40:16

So I don't have five Bitcoins to be

sending out to anyone, but I can, I send

729

: 00:40:21

people Satoshi's to their account just

to get them to download wallets, the

730

: 00:40:25

Muun wallet or different lightning

wallets and anyone that I see that may be

731

: 00:40:31

interested in like, I'll talk to him about

it and try to show them how that works.

732

: 00:40:34

And yeah, just trying to spread it.

733

: 00:40:36

I also started to save some Bitcoin

for different ministries and stuff,

734

: 00:40:41

just to be able to support them.

735

: 00:40:42

Because I know that there's

going to come a day where they're

736

: 00:40:45

going to come for the church.

737

: 00:40:47

And I want to make sure that

the ministries that I support

738

: 00:40:50

and the charities that I support

they're going to still be okay.

739

: 00:40:54

And yeah, I've just started to try

to share information to Bitcoin

740

: 00:40:58

Christians and to everyone, really,

because everybody has a potential.

741

: 00:41:01

I want to save as many souls as I

can, and I want to get as many people

742

: 00:41:05

on the Bitcoin lifeboat as possible.

743

: 00:41:07

I care more about your soul

than Bitcoin at this moment.

744

: 00:41:10

So I want to just try to share

to talk to people about it.

745

: 00:41:15

Like I said, I wear the t shirts,

I repost the memes, I post

746

: 00:41:19

Bitcoin content information.

747

: 00:41:21

And talk to them a little bit about how

this has happened just for centuries.

748

: 00:41:25

This is not new.

749

: 00:41:26

Like, Yeah, we're experiencing

all this stuff now, but we're not

750

: 00:41:29

the first one to experience this.

751

: 00:41:31

We're not the first people to

go through all these different

752

: 00:41:34

famines and stuff that's happening.

753

: 00:41:35

We're not the first people to go through

different ways to enslave people,

754

: 00:41:40

all the different taxes and stuff.

755

: 00:41:41

They used to have to pay interest on money

when they used to borrow it, even back

756

: 00:41:46

in the early early before Christ days.

757

: 00:41:49

So none of this is new, it's just

our time and it is also Bitcoin's

758

: 00:41:54

time because nothing can stop an idea

whose time has come and we're here.

759

: 00:41:59

Tali: Cool.

760

: 00:41:59

So what would you say to someone who is

still sitting on the fence about Bitcoin?

761

: 00:42:06

Pravin: I would tell them to just take

the moment, make a date with yourself

762

: 00:42:10

grab a coffee, grab a snack or whatever

it is, and just sit down and compare

763

: 00:42:16

Bitcoin side by side with the U.

764

: 00:42:18

S.

765

: 00:42:19

dollar or whatever your

native currency is.

766

: 00:42:22

Just take a look at them both.

767

: 00:42:24

Look at it from the beginning, from the

inception point, really, if you can.

768

: 00:42:28

Just go all the way back.

769

: 00:42:29

And also read some parts of the Bible,

just to understand, what's happened

770

: 00:42:34

even there, because that's the beginning

of time, so just take it, put it side

771

: 00:42:40

by side and compare it and do your

own research just take a look this is

772

: 00:42:45

something that's going to be not only

for you, but for your kids and your kids.

773

: 00:42:48

And they're all the generations after

we all just have to do our part to

774

: 00:42:53

make sure that we're going to be

protecting our purchasing power.

775

: 00:42:56

It's going to be protected.

776

: 00:42:57

And the freedom part of them,

because people think about Bitcoin

777

: 00:43:01

and they think about number go up.

778

: 00:43:02

They think about it, the

investment part here in America.

779

: 00:43:05

And then outside of America,

they're thinking about.

780

: 00:43:08

Okay.

781

: 00:43:08

This is going to allow me to be

able to buy bread for the day.

782

: 00:43:12

Okay.

783

: 00:43:12

So we have the medium of exchange there.

784

: 00:43:15

And then we also have the investment

side, that's just two parts, but Bitcoin

785

: 00:43:20

has so many more parts to that, take what

happened in Canada with the truckers,

786

: 00:43:24

they did not want to take the thing.

787

: 00:43:28

And they pretty much shut

down their bank accounts.

788

: 00:43:31

They shut down the bank accounts.

789

: 00:43:33

They punished people who were trying to

support them, Bitcoiners who, sent money

790

: 00:43:38

to make sure that they can eat and stuff.

791

: 00:43:40

And the people who were just at

local shops, they would try to give

792

: 00:43:44

them coffee and food and they

would come for those businesses.

793

: 00:43:48

They was shutting down those

people's businesses that

794

: 00:43:51

supported the truckers and stuff.

795

: 00:43:52

The fact that they was trying

to cancel their mortgages and

796

: 00:43:56

cancel their bank accounts that.

797

: 00:43:58

That's a red flag that this can happen.

798

: 00:44:00

And we have the CBDCs that are

going to be coming out soon.

799

: 00:44:04

They're already been started in other

countries and they are making all

800

: 00:44:08

of the implementation for it here.

801

: 00:44:10

And so we just have to know that the

moment is going to come one day that yeah.

802

: 00:44:14

You know, The mark of the beast to, it

starts off as being this cute little app

803

: 00:44:18

and they'll give you 500 to download it.

804

: 00:44:20

But then eventually you're not going

to be able to buy or sell a trade

805

: 00:44:24

without being able to have this

thing, whatever it's going to come.

806

: 00:44:28

You can be in the hand or forehead

on the app or whatever it is.

807

: 00:44:31

It's going to come a day that your

morals are going to be on the line.

808

: 00:44:35

What are you going to do?

809

: 00:44:37

Are you going to take something that you

don't feel is good for you in order to

810

: 00:44:43

save your job and to save your career

and to, or whatever the case is, you're

811

: 00:44:49

going to have that moment that you have

to make a decision and it'll be good to be

812

: 00:44:53

able to know that, okay, I have Bitcoin.

813

: 00:44:56

And so it doesn't matter if they

tried to shut down my bank account.

814

: 00:45:00

I have dotted out amount of Bitcoin and

I can just trade value for value with

815

: 00:45:05

someone in my local farmer's market,

so that's another good idea too, is to

816

: 00:45:09

go to local farmer markets because, to

know at least what days they meet up

817

: 00:45:12

so that you can go and support local

and you can also wear your Bitcoin t

818

: 00:45:16

shirts and, Talk to them about Bitcoin.

819

: 00:45:19

You have a beef guy you have a

vegetable guy and you have a lady

820

: 00:45:23

that has milk or have eggs and stuff.

821

: 00:45:25

Cause you just never know

when that moment might come.

822

: 00:45:27

And it's a good idea to, to have that.

823

: 00:45:30

So you just have to protect yourself and

to know that we're not alone in here.

824

: 00:45:35

God didn't leave us orphan.

825

: 00:45:37

He loves us and he sent his son to

die for us, for all of our sins.

826

: 00:45:41

And for you to know that, we're all

one body, we're all connected, we're

827

: 00:45:47

all people having individual lives.

828

: 00:45:50

. But we're also connected

on a spiritual level too.

829

: 00:45:53

And, We want the best for each other.

830

: 00:45:55

We want to see each other doing well

and able to support their family

831

: 00:45:59

and not have to worry about tyranny.

832

: 00:46:02

Tali: I feel so inspired.

833

: 00:46:04

I feel like you can stand on the

stage and give that talk and just

834

: 00:46:08

mesmerize the whole audience.

835

: 00:46:11

you so much for spending time with us.

836

: 00:46:13

I have really enjoyed our conversation.

837

: 00:46:15

Thank you for sharing your

story and your experiences.

838

: 00:46:18

That was awesome.

839

: 00:46:19

Pravin: Thank you so

much for having me Tali.

840

: 00:46:21

This has been awesome for real.

841

: 00:46:24

Tali: Thank you for

listening to this episode.

842

: 00:46:26

Did you enjoy it?

843

: 00:46:27

Wasn't our guest absolutely fabulous.

844

: 00:46:30

I just love every woman's

story on this show.

845

: 00:46:32

Everybody has a unique perspective

and yet, we all come to the same

846

: 00:46:36

place, which is Bitcoin is an

important part of our lives.

847

: 00:46:39

If this story has inspired you

and you would like to know

848

: 00:46:42

more, go to www.orangehatter.com.

849

: 00:46:45

Get involved.

850

: 00:46:46

Join and our reading group, send

me an email and introduce yourself.

851

: 00:46:50

I will be so happy to hear from you.

852

: 00:46:52

The best way you can support this

show is to spread the word Tell

853

: 00:46:56

every woman, you know, to listen in.

854

: 00:46:58

You never know how they will

be impacted by these stories.

855

: 00:47:02

I appreciate you so much.

856

: 00:47:04

See you next time.

857

: 00:47:05

Bye.