100th Episode

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My absolute hope is that more women, more women, more women, more

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women find their way to Bitcoin.

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Especially the moms because they

will influence the next generation.

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And can change history..

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome to orange Hatter.

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Can you believe this is already

the 100th episode of orange Hatter?

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I am absolutely blown away.

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It has been such a tremendous journey.

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It started with a one very simple desire

I had, which was to make friends with

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more Bitcoiner women in the space.

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And by sharing their story

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I hoped to entice more women who are

precoiners, who are still sitting on

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the fence about Bitcoin to hopefully

identify themselves in, these Bitcoin

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women's stories and come a little closer

to the rabbit hole and check it out.

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With that a goal in mind.

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I want it to talk to as many

everyday women as possible.

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I wanted to present Bitcoin as something

that is a use for everybody, your

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sister, your mom, your daughter, somebody

you can stand in line at the grocery

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store with, , somebody standing next

to you or the post office, sitting

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next to you at the doctor's office.

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Every day women, because

Bitcoin is for everyone.

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It's not just for the famous,

it's not just for the rich, it's

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not just for the influencers.

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It's for everyone.

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There is a use case for everyone and.

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Yes, it can be used by refugees

escaping political oppression.

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Or women who are escaping

abusive relationships.

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But most importantly, I want to everyday

women who are living paycheck to paycheck

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and accepting our monetary system as an

inevitable reality having no way out.

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And just being victims to the

inflationary environment that is

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just running rampant right now.

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And I know a lot of parents are

very worried for their children.

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For the first time in human

history people are talking about

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expecting their children's future

to be less bright than their own.

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Throughout human history, generations

of parents have placed hope and even

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expectancy that their children's

future will be better than theirs,

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but for the first time it is not so.

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Everybody sees the problem we're

experiencing, but not everybody

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knows the solution to it.

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So with orange hotter, my goal is

to reach as many everyday women as

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possible with everyday women's stories.

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Through this project, I have

met just amazing people.

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I went back and.

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Revisit it, the episodes

that I have done so far.

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And I counted up the number of

countries in which my guests

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have had life experiences in.

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Not just travel through, but lived there.

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I counted over 30 countries.

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They cover all the continents

except for Antarctica.

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Are there any Bitcoiners in Antartica if

you know of anyone, please let me know.

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I would love to interview them.

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, . I've spoken to people.

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Who are in their late teens.

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All the way up.

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To people who are getting

ready for retirement.

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Throughout that age range, then you have

people from all different backgrounds.

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I interviewed Mary Lou who grew

up below the poverty line.

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And I talked to people like Andy,

who is a venture capitalist.

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So everybody in between.

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. We all have our own personal life story.

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We all have our own personal reason

why we're looking for an alternative to

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the currency that we are using today,

Whether you're in the us and using

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the us dollar, which comparatively

is still relatively stable or in

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a country where your national

currency is devaluing very quickly.

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For our own reasons, we have

found our solution in Bitcoin.

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All right.

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So for the rest of the episode, what I'm

going to do is switch back and forth

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between making exciting announcements

about new Orange Hatter initiatives and

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playing some of my favorite clips from

the women I have interviewed so far.

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Make sure you stick around,

listen to the very, very end.

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I have a special offer for you.

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That you don't want to miss.

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So here we go.

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To kick us off here is the very first.

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Intro to the very first.

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episode for the orange Hatter podcast.

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And my very first orange

Hatter guest Laura.

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Hi, everyone.

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Welcome to the first

episode of Orange Hatter.

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I'm so excited to launch this project

to share stories and conversations

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with women in the hopes that I can

help you get interested and curious

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about this thing called Bitcoin.

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My very first guest is Laura from Italy.

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Laura: Okay.

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Hello everybody.

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Chao.

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I and from, from the salute, you

can understand it, and I'm Italian.

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I'm speaking for Milano.

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Maybe one of, of the two most

important cities in Italy.

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And, , I, the first time I heard,

, about Bitcoin, it was, , during, , the

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Covid Lockdowns because we have, , we

had in Italy, , a lot of problems

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also in my town is in the north

of Italy that had, , that lots of

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problem that worldwide, , are known.

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I'm a normal person.

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I have a normal job.

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So I have no money to invest and

Bitcoin was not one of my target.

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the first things it was to recognize

that I was completely financial

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illiteracy illiterate completely.

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I didn't know anything about money,

about, uh, financial, about economics.

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I was so, so ignorant about, uh, this

topic, but I I work, uh, with, um,

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with a nice job in a commercial office.

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And, my income is, , 1,200 Euros.

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And I have to pay a lot for, for rent

for the house, a lot for groceries,

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a lot for, uh, energy bills.

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So I have, I, I, I remain with maybe

100 euros in, uh, in the pocket.

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That, that I can do all my, all my,

uh, I have to do everything with this.

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really understand why

I am so poor in my 50.

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Uh, 54 years.

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I work from 30 years and I don't have

money, uh, as a store of value, and

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now I understand why, why I don't have.

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Everything has changed because

first off I saw, uh, a light,

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uh, we used to say in Italy.

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I dunno if, if it is

the same in the States.

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I saw a light at the end of the tunnel.

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I understand that Bitcoin

is a freedom tool.

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Tali: If you want to listen to

Laura story, please go back to

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the beginning of the episode

history and start with episode one.

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She talks about her personal financial

experience with such honesty . Laura's

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super passionate and working with local

merchants in Milan to try to create

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something similar to Bitcoin beach.

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She's such an amazing

person to get to know.

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The next present I want

to highlight is Nancy.

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Nancy is probably halve Laura's age.

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Her life is just beginning.

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She's a young woman.

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In Tanzania, she has a toddler.

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She's just starting.

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Her journey as an adult and.

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She's really quite ahead of her time.

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Even as a young adult, working

with her husband, very deliberately

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to look for ways to safeguard

the value of their savings.

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I want to highlight her background.

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And then just a quick story

about how she found Bitcoin.

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Nancy: My parents worked in Botswana and

then Zimbabwe, and then we moved to Papua

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New Guinea in the South Pacific for

most of my childhood, and then moved to

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Tanzania when I was a , 16, did two years

of high school here and then went to Cape

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Town, South Africa, then moved back here

to Dar es Salaam, where I currently am.

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I'm married to Don and that is

how I got to know about Bitcoin.

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When we met, to be as frank as

possible, we were both terrible

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with with, um, with our finances.

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We didn't have any savings.

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When we started dating, we, we thought it

would be nice to kind of put some money

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into a joint pot to spend on our dates.

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In Tanzania, they have mobile money.

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So your phone, you can send money to

your phone and store it on your phone.

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And so we started just by doing that.

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And then the pot grew and

it, it reached the limit.

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of what could be stored on mobile money.

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So we opened up a bank account and then

We had to open up several other bank

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accounts, It was a lot of bank fees.

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I would get a salary to my bank account,

And then there would be a bank fee

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to send some to my phone, and then

there'd be a a mobile money fee each

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time I tried to use it from my phone.

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it was costing me money to have money

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I think where Don really started seeking

was we were living month to month,

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and it was really frustrating because

we both had full time jobs, we were both

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working at international schools, but

for some reason it just felt like we

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couldn't save anything, like nothing,

nothing we do made, nothing we did made

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a difference, and at the same time we

had, Our parents who have properties and.

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In their time, they were able to buy

properties with like one month salary,

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which now is worth so much more.

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The expectation was you get

married, get a job, buy some

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land and start building a house.

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But it was impossible.

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We, we couldn't do it.

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my dad bought land Good land when

he just got out of university.

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He just finished his PhD and he bought

it for 700 shillings That same, plot

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of land would probably go for like

upwards from 200 million shillings now.

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And so Don was feeling really

frustrated , with that whole situation.

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So I said, Find us a way find us a

place where we can we can put our

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money that's safe that you know

where we can stand a chance to to

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start to save and he found Bitcoin.

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Tali: So as you can see.

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Nancy and Laura.

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Two very different women,

different age group.

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Literally from different continents,

different life background.

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Coming to Bitcoin with a common goal

of somehow safeguarding the money that

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they earned through their hard work.

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I've also interviewed,

as I mentioned before.

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Many women from different

cultural backgrounds.

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I'm going to highlight

a few of the women here.

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They are from.

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Different continents, sauna living

in Belgium, but from India marina,

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she's living in New York, but grew

up in the global south Terico in

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Thailand, but grew up in Japan.

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And of course our own American women.

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Let's take a listen.

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Sanjna: I'm based in Belgium.

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I've lived here my whole life.

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my husband He is from the U.S.,

I'm from Europe, but we're

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both originally from India.

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Marina: I was born in the US,

um, half Mexican, half American.

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I lived in the US, until I was five.

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And then I grew up in South America,

Mexico, Bolivia, Columbia, and

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came back to the US for college.

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So I'm American, grew up in Latin America,

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Teruko: I was born and raised in Japan

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I was interested in the world outside of

Japan, so as soon as I entered college

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I started traveling around the world.

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, So far, I've probably visited

more than 70 countries.

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but I stopped counting after 50

countries, so I don't know exactly.

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Lindsay: I

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Am 29.

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I live in Midland,

Michigan, a fairly rural area.

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I was a paramedic

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Tali: Through orange Hatter, I've met some just really fascinating women.

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And one of my favorite guests

on the show was Gillian.

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She.

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Has taken so many pivot points.

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In her life that she

went from studying film.

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To be one of the early adopters of the

internet working as tech support and

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finally through several more pivots.

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And an above being a

Buddhist psychoanalyst.

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Fascinating story.

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Let's take a listen.

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Gillian: Many, many years ago, 55

years ago, I was born in Malaysia.

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I was raised there till I, till I

was 13 and my parents sent me , to

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Singapore to study because they

have a better educational system.

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I went to college in the States

because I wanted to study film.

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I did my master's in East Asian languages

and cultures , went to live in Japan

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for a year and then went to Thailand

and subsequently to the States, to

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Spain, and then came back to Japan.

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Tali: Isn't that fascinating.

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And that's just the first

half of Gillian's life.

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Since that point, she transitioned

into studying yoga and Rolfing.

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And then subsequently went

into cranial sacral therapy.

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And finally to Buddhism studies.

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Um, I'll let her tell her story.

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Gillian: I was doing craniosacral

therapy that was put together by

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someone called Franklin Sills, and

he was visiting from England in to

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Boulder to teach a cranial course.

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And the wife was coming so I only knew

her as the wife Franklin's wife, and she

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was going to teach a three day workshop

called coalescence of compassion.

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I was really attracted to these

words, coalescence of compassion.

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So I did do the workshop three days.

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I sat there just crying.

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It wasn't sobbing was I was seated

there present and tears just

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rolled down and I understood it as.

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a resonance, a strong resonance when you

hear truth that you don't hear normally.

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And you see this person in there

in front of you and you can

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see something you never saw.

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It's a kind of presence.

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It moved me so much.

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So I thought, I want to

study with this person.

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And the only thing she was doing

was a master's in psychotherapy,

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in Buddhist psychotherapy.

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And I'm like, Psychotherapy?

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No!

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I don't want to study psychotherapy.

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And then one or two weeks

later, I thought, Oh, if

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Maura, her name is Maura Sills.

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If Maura is going to teach

a singing class, I would go.

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So why wouldn't I go for

psychotherapy or whatever it is?

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So I said, okay, I'll go.

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I decided I applied and I went.

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And this course was in England, in Devon.

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So another , two years plus

another year of practice.

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I was trying to free myself and help

people free themselves , through

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therapy, but we will never

be free without a free money.

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And I was like this white elephant in

the room was missing in all this therapy

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and alignment stuff I'm trying to do.

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We need to align with money.

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And so that was actually for me, the last

piece coming together, although probably

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money is the first piece of many people,

but it's like it had to come last for me.

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And like, this is it.

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This is the final

alignment needs to be made.

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We cannot right the

Buddha was able to do it.

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But how many people can be Buddha

He had to go through all he lived

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in a time of manipulated money.

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Even though he had it, but it's still

he was worried about concerned about

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other people, and he was looking for

a way within right to find happiness

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and peace and equanimity in that world.

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And he found it right and he

taught us he gave us the teachings.

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But imagine if we didn't, if

that money part was taken care

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of, I gave a presentation , on

Bitcoin and spirituality.

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I took the teaching, The Four Noble

Truths, the of Buddha's teaching,

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where the fourth truth is the Eightfold

Path, the Noble Eightfold Path.

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And if you look at all the Noble

Eightfold Path, Bitcoin, or sound

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money like Bitcoin, can help you really

more easily achieve, Five of them.

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So for me, telling people about

Bitcoin, helping people understand,

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helping people use it self custody.

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That's my thing.

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, Tali: I've heard a lot

of different people.

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Share the idea that they

believe Bitcoin is a godsend.

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But I've never looked at it through

the lens of Buddhism before.

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So I have found Gillan's,

discussion absolutely fascinating.

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If you'd like to hear the rest

of it, make sure you go to

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orange hotter podcast episode 85.

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Through the many conversations that

I've had with orange Henry guests.

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I came up with an idea.

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That.

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All of these fascinating women

spread all around the world.

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Wouldn't it be amazing if we can get

everybody in the same place in the same

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room, under the same roof, going through

the same experiences and being able to

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feel absolutely free to speak our mind

because we each understand and agree

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on fundamental views about the world.

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And so.

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I dreamed up this idea of doing

an orange Hatter women's retreat.

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Started spreading the word and

asking people for locations and

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came across Amanda, who is part

of the Bitcoin Yucatan project.

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In Merida, Mexico.

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And we just absolutely hit it off.

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We literally.

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See.

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The world through basically

the same lens and long story

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short, we created the Yucatan.

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Orange Hatter women's retreat,

which will be taking place

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March 16th through the 20th.

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, in 2024.

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And, um, since then, even as I talk to

more and more women who are in different,

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beautiful locations of the world, The

idea is that we will eventually have a

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orange hotter women's retreat on every

single continent to make it really

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easy for Bitcoiner women to gather.

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And to share and elevate their energy.

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So that we can do what we believe so

deeply about, which is to spread the

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coin to every corner of the earth.

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So, if you've not heard about

the retreat before our retreat

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is now closed for March.

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So keep an eye out for future retreats.

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They will take place in Yucatan

or elsewhere, I am talking to

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several different women about

different locations right now.

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And make sure you add your

name to our email list.

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Go to www.orangehatter.com and you'll find

under the tab labeled Retreat, Yucatan.

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And then also other locations.

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You can enter your email address

there and we'll keep you posted.

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And now let's keep going.

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I'm having so much fun.

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Listening back to all of

these women's interviews.

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I want to introduce of couple more

women they're American with different

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backgrounds, let's take a listen.

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Jacqui: I'm a single mom,

and my daughter's 26 now.

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And I learned about blockchain and

Bitcoin about five or six years ago.

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My background's law, I didn't

know a lot about finance.

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I wasn't interested in finance

until I kind of, you know, learned

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about Bitcoin and, and this area.

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Sarah: I have three adorable

children, and they're all under

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seven, so seven, five, and one.

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So we're just starting the

elementary school craziness and

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afterschool activities and meal

planning, house management, all

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sorts of fun stuff like that.

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Ella: Generation Bitcoin, which is a

group of Gen Z Bitcoiners who are really

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on a mission to try and bring Bitcoin

education to Gen Z and really inspire

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them to be a part of the Bitcoin space and

grow it and innovate in it because they

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will inherit Bitcoin, , moving forward.

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I am very lucky to now

be a part of the group.

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I am in charge of projects.

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One project that we are just starting

is called the Bitcoin University Guide.

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It's important for students to

feel encouraged to embrace Bitcoin,

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where their world is changing a

lot, but Bitcoin is kind of hope

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and that Bitcoin is for everyone.

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So this is really where the

Bitcoin University Guide comes in.

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Tali: Let's hear a little bit

more from , our American women.

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First one is Sarah.

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You heard from her just a little bit ago.

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She has three young children

all under the age of seven.

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Also Lindsay.

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A very interesting first

encounter with Bitcoin.

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And Mel who came into the

Bitcoin space through antiques.

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Let's take a listen.

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Sarah: My husband is a musician,

and as you can imagine, the Covid

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pandemic shutdowns did not do

very well for musicians and public

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performance, the arts in general.

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So we were in a very scary situation

where in the blink of an eye, our

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projected income for the year went to zero

because every gig fell off his calendar.

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There was just a lot

of fear, but also time.

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And he started looking into

Bitcoin specifically as this

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new technology in finance.

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He started researching Bitcoin.

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: 00:23:40

A lot of people are like, why

not just stay with money?

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It's working okay.

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Why not just stay with money?

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I don't feel the need, like, or

when I say money, why not stay

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with dollars, like, credit cards?

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Why not, you know, whatever.

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And I'm like, well, there

is something better.

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There truly is something better.

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And we know how to appreciate

tools for their purpose and,

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and even antiquated tools Like a

phonograph, like an Edison phonograph.

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Victrolas.

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Like we have victrolas, but

there's also things that just

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work better with new technology.

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And I think that's something that's

really exciting to think about is

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like, this is, or maybe even just

like a vocabulary to put Bitcoin in

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is like, this is just a new technology.

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It's just a, a new way to think

of and use currency that is more

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secure, holds its value and is really

going to be even more scalable.

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Tali: Sarah talks about how she's

planning to use Bitcoin in her

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life, which is really for college

planning for her three young children.

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Instead of investing her money

in a 529 college savings fund..

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She decided that it would actually make

more economic sense to save for her

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children's college in Bitcoin, if you

know someone who has young children and

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are wondering if Bitcoin is something

that would be applicable to them.

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Please direct them to Sarah's episode.

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Her episode actually was divided

into several smaller parts.

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This is in the early days of my podcast.

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Sarah's episodes run from 47 to 51.

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check it out and share with your friends.

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Next let's listen from Lindsey.

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She is a neonatal intensive care nurse.

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And has a fascinating story about how

she first came across a Bitcoiner.

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Lindsay: I found myself on a first date

with a guy who was a Bitcoiner and I

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met the guy for dinner and we were just

getting to know each other, talking

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about our lives, our backgrounds.

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You know what we were doing in Nashville.

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I live in Nashville, Tennessee.

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And it comes out that this guy is

preparing to buy a house and actually as

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of that day, had like seen a house and

put an offer on it, but he was waiting

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to hear if his offer was going to be

accepted because the offer was in Bitcoin.

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Tali: Next we'll hear from

Mel and antique reseller.

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Mel: My husband is a comic booking

card collector from childhood on and

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we were gonna buy our first house and

I saw this eBay, I kept hearing about

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eBay and I said, why don't we try

selling some of this stuff on eBay and

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maybe we can raise some house money.

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Well, that was it.

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I was hooked.

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And I, I couldn't even

buy a digital camera.

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It was so expensive to buy one.

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I bought a scanner.

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I would lay things on it.

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I would put a blanket on top.

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I'm a completely clueless financially.

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I have no nothing., we

grew up with nothing.

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We didn't, know anything about the stock

market, know anything about anything,

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we're not taught that in school.

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The only thing my mom taught me, which

really annoyed about, to this day,

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money's only good for the things that buy.

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there's been two things in my life that

I could see straight down the line.

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One was selling online.

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I could see it straight down the line.

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20, 25 years, everything was gonna

be online, and Bitcoin is only is

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the second thing in my entire life

that I've ever felt like that 20,

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25 years straight down the line.

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Tali: Here's another American woman

that I interviewed with an interesting

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perspective on Bitcoin and how it

changed her outlook for the career

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: 00:27:42

that she has chosen, that she was so

originally motivated by, but now seeing

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it completely through different lens.

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Let's take a listen to Aimee story.

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Aimee: my dad, he owned several

businesses, he was a general contractor,

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and I feel like he always was feeling

like the state and the federal

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government were just putting too

much on him as a, an employer and

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taking too much of what he was earning

and he was always resentful of that.

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And he would also say things like you

really don't own your house because

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if you don't pay your property taxes,

the government can take it from you.

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, so he was always railing

against the system in that way.

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And then my ex husband was, a

huge, , pro medical marijuana,

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anti state kind of person.

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And so, I think that I had, a lot

of, Freedom inclinations from those

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two influences and then during COVID,

I guess that's really when the light

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for me, uh, because as my background,

I said, was in science, my doctorate's

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in microbiology and molecular genetics.

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: 00:28:45

And when I saw the response to COVID,

it didn't make any sense to me.

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: 00:28:49

And then, as soon as the

government was like, we're going

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: 00:28:52

to shut down for two weeks.

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: 00:28:53

I'm like, it is not going to be two weeks.

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: 00:28:56

This is like, a lot of the

freedom grabs they did after 9 11.

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: 00:29:00

I remember noticing that back then,

all the freedoms we were losing.

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And, I've been practically resentful

of going through TSA every time

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I have since, which has been many

and thinking it's ridiculous we're

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still doing some of these things.

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: 00:29:15

And Vermont was extremely,

extremely, compliant.

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I felt so alone because I was the only

one looking around saying, this is insane.

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: 00:29:26

This is not how you should react

and deal with a respiratory virus.

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: 00:29:31

Everybody's eventually going to

get this no matter how much we lock

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down and how long we lock down.

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It's a respiratory virus.

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and, you know, because it was this

small thing that people couldn't see

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it was just so fear driven and it was

the same thing with 9 11 after 9 11

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the whole fear narrative around, um,

terrorism, and it was just used to

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take people's freedoms away and, and

our government, I feel, I felt ever

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increasingly since then is, it's just

become like a cancer on our country.

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Our government has gone further

and further away from the values

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that this country was founded on.

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I work in higher education and access

to higher education is very important

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to me, but I realize with our fiat

currency and our debt, I mean, things are

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so broken and, with The vast majority

of people that have gotten poorer and

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poorer versus the 1 percent of the 0.

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1 percent that have gotten richer and

richer, this chasm can't be, , fixed at

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this point with anything, but Bitcoin.

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And until, things come back into balance

with people tending toward Bitcoin as

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a sound money and as a base layer to a

new financial system, the folks that I

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work with, I don't think that they're

just going to be able to change their

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lives by attaining a college degree.

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I think that, they're working within

a system that's so broken that that

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system needs to be fixed first.

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. But, , I feel like I got one foot out

of the higher education world because

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it's kind of like burst the bubble.

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It's made me feel like my job won't

make a difference because fundraising

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to make college more accessible

doesn't matter when the fiat system

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has screwed things up so badly.

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, working in philanthropy, the other

realization I've had is that the

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people that are in a position to

make large philanthropic gifts

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have benefited, they've been on the

benefiting end of the fiat system.

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And to me, it's so appalling

now to realize that,

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now they're giving that money back to

the other people that they essentially

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stole it from whether they were, they

weren't like wittingly doing that, but

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they, but that is essentially the reality.

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And now they're giving it back

to them with conditions and it

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just has made me lose so much.

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So much of the inspiration of what

originally drove me and my work

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and in fundraising in higher ed

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Tali: You can listen to the

rest of Aimee interview on.

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Episode 78.

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After talking to so many women who

are Bitcoiners, there's one common

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theme that comes up over and over

again, which is everyone would rather.

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Not be working in the fiat at world.

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But to be working in the Bitcoin space.

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That has inspired me to start a

Orange Hatter Mastermind group.

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And what that is is a group of us.

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We're all entrepreneurs.

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Bitcoin women.

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Developing our business.

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So that we can.

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Live breathe, work in the Bitcoin space.

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: 00:32:35

It can feel very lonely.

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Which is why earlier in the episode,

I talked about gathering Bitcoin or

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women together for our retreat, but

that is only a short time out of a year.

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And so this mastermind group I created,

we meet weekly and we come together

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and we support each other consistently.

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: 00:32:57

And with Face Time and with sharing

with cross promoting with listening

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: 00:33:03

year when we need some encouragement

with ideas when we need some advice.

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: 00:33:10

, we . Are working together.

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Creating synergy to make

our business successful.

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The group started in January this year.

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And.

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It is a one-year commitment.

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I am going to open up another

group in June of this year.

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And we will meet in the middle of the day.

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: 00:33:28

Right now, the group that I

have is meeting in the evenings.

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: 00:33:32

Which hasn't worked for all

the different time zones.

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So the one that is launching in June

will be in the middle of the day

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: 00:33:39

In the Eastern standard time zone.

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: 00:33:42

, so that hopefully will make

it easier for people who are.

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: 00:33:44

, in Europe.

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: 00:33:46

Outside the U.S.

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Time zones.

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If you are interested, go

to www.orangehatter.com.

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And under the tab that

is labeled get involved.

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: 00:33:58

Look for mastermind and there, you can

put your name on the waitlist so that

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: 00:34:04

when the mastermind group opens for June.

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: 00:34:08

You'll get a notification and you can

send me your application to get involved.

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: 00:34:13

Again, that's

www.orangehatter.com/mastermind, or you

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: 00:34:19

can just go to the main website and go to.

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: 00:34:22

the dropdown menu, get involved

and scroll down to mastermind.

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: 00:34:27

Okay.

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: 00:34:28

So, so far we've heard from people who

live outside of the U S we've heard

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from people who are from the U S.

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And now I want to introduce you to a

few women who are immigrants to the

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U S so they have a unique perspective

comparing what's happening here.

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And what's happening in

their parents' country.

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: 00:34:49

First up is Sophie.

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She is a Venezuelan American.

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: 00:34:54

Let's take a listen.

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Sophi: My parents came to this country in

the eighties when the United States was

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: 00:35:03

at the peak of its economic performance,

even today, they're very much in denial

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: 00:35:10

that the dollar could collapse or that

the government is corrupt because they've

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: 00:35:16

seen it in such an extreme version in

Venezuela in their country that they

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: 00:35:21

cannot fathom that it would happen here.

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: 00:35:23

Even though, people are people

and people make mistakes , and

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: 00:35:27

nobody is immune to sin, you know.

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: 00:35:29

and power corrupts, everybody.

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: 00:35:32

I'm gonna be honest with you, I just

never thought about money, because I

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: 00:35:36

mean, except for like, in the way

that most people would think about it.

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: 00:35:39

Do we have it?

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: 00:35:40

Do we not?

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: 00:35:40

Are we gonna live the next day?

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: 00:35:42

But I never really thought

about where money came from.

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: 00:35:46

Even as the inflation crisis was

hitting Venezuela, I just didn't

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: 00:35:51

understand what that actually meant.

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: 00:35:53

In my mind, I was like, well, an evil

dictator has taken over the country, so

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: 00:35:58

of course the economy is gonna do badly.

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: 00:36:01

But I didn't understand

the bridge between A and B.

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: 00:36:05

I didn't understand what it was that

the government was doing and what

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: 00:36:09

nationalization was doing to our

country to make the currency inflate.

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: 00:36:15

And basically corruption

devalue our currency.

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: 00:36:19

So I never really thought about

it from that point of view until

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: 00:36:22

I understood what Bitcoin was.

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: 00:36:25

And when I understood Bitcoin, I

started going back to my upbringing.

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: 00:36:31

I started, I started

understanding, wow, okay.

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: 00:36:33

So they started printing more money

to pay off more people to, 'cause it

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: 00:36:38

was a corrupt government and the more

people they paid off, the more dollars

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: 00:36:42

they stole from other reserves because

the, the ... was backed by the dollar.

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: 00:36:48

And then, when they ran out of dollars,

they had to print more money so that the

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: 00:36:52

dollars would be worth more ... then I

understood, wow, they're doing something

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: 00:36:59

very similar in the United States.

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: 00:37:01

How could that be?

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: 00:37:02

We don't have a corrupt government

or, so I thought, and then that,

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: 00:37:06

that all started making sense.

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: 00:37:08

But at first my upbringing didn't really

clue me in to any of this stuff because

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: 00:37:14

I was just, I was living in a bubble.

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: 00:37:16

I didn't know what was going on,

and I was very, I just didn't know.

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: 00:37:22

Tali: Check out Sophie's episodes.

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: 00:37:24

60-62.

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Next up - Aida.

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She is a Cuban American.

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Let's hear her story.

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Aida: I am from Cuba, so I had a

little bit of background or of how

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hard is to not have an economy or not.

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: 00:37:43

You don't even think about it because.

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: 00:37:45

It's so, the situation is so bad that

at some point you don't even care

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: 00:37:51

about that anymore because there is

like no crisis, no temporary crisis.

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: 00:37:56

It's a complete, the full year

crisis that you have in your country.

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: 00:38:00

Your money is not valuable at all.

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: 00:38:03

Your lives becomes just to worry about the

food that you're going to put on the table

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: 00:38:08

that day because you cannot plan ahead.

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: 00:38:12

You cannot plan for retirement.

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: 00:38:14

Like in this country, people think

about they have their retirement plans

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: 00:38:19

and they have all that thinking on the

future and then they move to Florida.

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: 00:38:23

That's the stereotypical, right?

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: 00:38:25

That people move to Florida and

have a beautiful retirement there.

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: 00:38:29

You, you don't think about that in Cuba.

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: 00:38:31

People, what they do there, first of

all, the lucky ones that have a little

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: 00:38:36

bit of money to save is the struggle,

how to save it because our country have

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: 00:38:42

changed the currency multiple times.

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: 00:38:46

The currency is totally devalued, so

we don't even, we don't even appear

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: 00:38:53

on the inflation charts anymore.

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: 00:38:56

Every time people talk about inflation,

how inflation grows and everything, they

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: 00:39:01

mention Venezuela, they mention Argentina.

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: 00:39:04

Cuba is not in the charts!

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: 00:39:06

Because we are so done, we don't

even are part of those charts.

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: 00:39:11

So it's really hard for the people there.

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: 00:39:14

People also use like gold, like buy

jewelry sometimes to have the savings and

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: 00:39:21

they save in dollars, which is what most

of the Latin American countries do, right?

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: 00:39:28

And that's the way that they make savings.

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: 00:39:32

But for example.

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: 00:39:33

We, my, my family, for example, they had

some savings once and in one currency,

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: 00:39:39

which is, which was not the dollar was

another of our currencies in our country.

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: 00:39:45

We, we had two.

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: 00:39:46

And then the government decided to switch.

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: 00:39:49

So their wealth diminished, right?

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: 00:39:51

They lost a lot of money, and now they

changed the currency again, and they lost

632

: 00:39:58

again, and it is constantly like that.

633

: 00:40:01

It is, it is like that.

634

: 00:40:03

And for example, right now my

parents, they don't, they don't

635

: 00:40:07

have a retirement right now.

636

: 00:40:09

So they work so hard, they work for,

for their family, to provide for their

637

: 00:40:14

family, to build something for their

future, to have something, and there is

638

: 00:40:19

no value of what they have right now.

639

: 00:40:22

And it's, it's a really,

really, really hard.

640

: 00:40:25

And that's one of the things that makes

me think on Bitcoin, because I want

641

: 00:40:30

to kind of have a something that helps

me in the future to not struggle that

642

: 00:40:36

way, like they do it in in our country.

643

: 00:40:39

And like I said, sometimes

to people here is in the US,

644

: 00:40:44

people see it as an investment.

645

: 00:40:46

In our countries could be is something

that will save us or will give us freedom

646

: 00:40:52

from our government because having a

money that nobody can print more, that

647

: 00:40:58

nobody can change it for something

else suddenly, or take it from you

648

: 00:41:05

and freeze your accounts in the bank.

649

: 00:41:08

Having the government

hands out of your money.

650

: 00:41:12

That's awesome.

651

: 00:41:14

Tali: Check out Aida's

interview episodes 63 to 66.

652

: 00:41:20

Next up we have Liv, who

is a German American.

653

: 00:41:26

Liv: I'm originally from Germany,

where I've studied psychology.

654

: 00:41:30

And I've moved one and a half

years ago to America because my

655

: 00:41:34

husband is originally from here.

656

: 00:41:35

We actually met in New Zealand while

traveling, and then we decided to stay

657

: 00:41:40

together, and we lived for two years

together in Germany while I finished

658

: 00:41:46

my master's there, and then we moved

around one and a half years ago here

659

: 00:41:51

to, to America, and While we were in

Germany and COVID hit and all those

660

: 00:41:58

restrictions were a thing and the

world was a little bit upside down.

661

: 00:42:02

My husband was talking

about Bitcoin all the time.

662

: 00:42:05

I was a little bit annoyed at that time.

663

: 00:42:07

I have to admit, because he was talking

in the morning, in the evening about it.

664

: 00:42:13

And he was just.

665

: 00:42:15

nonstop talking about it.

666

: 00:42:16

And I was like, okay, is

it about Bitcoin again?

667

: 00:42:18

I, I was a bit.

668

: 00:42:20

Interested in a certain way, but

also annoyed at the beginning, but

669

: 00:42:24

then yeah we did a lot of hikes.

670

: 00:42:26

You couldn't really do a lot during

COVID, so it's really nice in Germany.

671

: 00:42:30

You just leave the village and you

just go for a hike wherever you are.

672

: 00:42:33

And we talked a lot and he explained

Bitcoin constantly on a deep level.

673

: 00:42:37

And then A lot Bitcoineries in

Michigan, also the South Bend,

674

: 00:42:41

sorry, it's the Benton Harbor meetup.

675

: 00:42:43

All those people are in Ann Arbor.

676

: 00:42:45

They have a meetup now where everyone is

into those topics of farming, sovereignty,

677

: 00:42:51

and running permaculture project

678

: 00:42:53

and this reminded me a lot also of

those events, Katie, the Russian is

679

: 00:42:57

organizing where it's all about the

whole system, not just about money.

680

: 00:43:01

It's about what do we eat?

681

: 00:43:03

How can we improve that more woman

can give birth in a normal way

682

: 00:43:08

rather than having a C section.

683

: 00:43:10

How can we improve our medical treatment

and all of those kinds of other

684

: 00:43:15

topics, which are very fundamental.

685

: 00:43:18

And so I thought it was just so

amazing to experience it that way.

686

: 00:43:22

And this is what got

me really into Bitcoin.

687

: 00:43:25

Tali: You can listen to more

of Liv story on episode 97.

688

: 00:43:30

I've learned so much over the last

few months of doing the podcast.

689

: 00:43:35

Every time I talk to people I

have more Inspired ideas to get

690

: 00:43:41

more women involved and more

connected in the Bitcoin community.

691

: 00:43:46

I have launched the orange hatter women's

retreat specifically because there seems

692

: 00:43:52

to be such a great desire for women in

this space to get to know each other

693

: 00:43:57

and to have the opportunity to build

friendships and working relationships

694

: 00:44:04

so that we can help each other grow.

695

: 00:44:06

I created the orange Hatter

mastermind for this reason.

696

: 00:44:09

Hyperbitcoinization is going to

take every single person's effort.

697

: 00:44:15

Everybody is a foot soldier.

698

: 00:44:17

Everybody is a star.

699

: 00:44:19

My continue goal is to create synergy

among women and to create the level of

700

: 00:44:26

support that is not available elsewhere.

701

: 00:44:30

Especially, because this is

such a unique a group of people.

702

: 00:44:34

We have shared beliefs that are just

not found outside the Bitcoin space.

703

: 00:44:39

We believe in freedom.

704

: 00:44:41

We believe in autonomy.

705

: 00:44:42

We believe in self sovereignty.

706

: 00:44:44

And it's almost like it's an

unspoken understanding when you say

707

: 00:44:49

I'm a Bitcoiner and somebody else

says I'm a Bitcoiner immediately.

708

: 00:44:52

You just have that connection, that

you stand firmly on similar ideals

709

: 00:44:59

and believes, and there's not really

even any need for explanation.

710

: 00:45:05

And a lot of us feel somewhat isolated

in our immediate social group.

711

: 00:45:11

Bitcoin is not yet as popular as

we all hope it would be one day.

712

: 00:45:16

And so at least for me, and a lot

of the people that I've spoken to.

713

: 00:45:22

There are very few that have friends and

families are also Bitcoiners whom they

714

: 00:45:28

can share exciting news with, or even

talk about something frustrating in the

715

: 00:45:33

news that Bitcoiners can see through.

716

: 00:45:36

That Other people are accepting

as just a matter of fact.

717

: 00:45:41

If that's you and where

you are, you feel isolated.

718

: 00:45:44

Don't hesitate to reach out,

go to www.orange hatter.com.

719

: 00:45:49

There are many ways for

you to get involved.

720

: 00:45:51

I've mentioned the retreat.

721

: 00:45:52

I've mentioned the mastermind group.

722

: 00:45:54

I also have a weekly reading group.

723

: 00:45:57

And even if you haven't read the book

that we are discussing right now, come

724

: 00:46:01

anyway, come socialize, come meet people.

725

: 00:46:04

We meet every week, Monday nights,

seven to eight 30 Eastern standard time.

726

: 00:46:09

And all you have to do

is send me an email.

727

: 00:46:12

Our links are private so

that we don't get trolls.

728

: 00:46:16

We unfortunately have had that experience.

729

: 00:46:18

So, um, you know, just reach out.

730

: 00:46:21

This is a safe space where all women.

731

: 00:46:24

Who are trying to further our own

education in Bitcoin, as well as

732

: 00:46:29

share Bitcoin with people we love.

733

: 00:46:31

So show up.

734

: 00:46:33

Um, like I said, if you

can't make the retreat.

735

: 00:46:37

Come to the reading group.

736

: 00:46:38

If you want to take it farther and you

want to make a living in a Bitcoin space,

737

: 00:46:44

then consider joining our mastermind.

738

: 00:46:46

There are many ways to get involved.

739

: 00:46:48

Okay.

740

: 00:46:49

So let's keep going.

741

: 00:46:50

I want to share three more stories

with you today before we wrap up.

742

: 00:46:54

Next up is Toshi from Nigeria and

she gives us a glimpse of what she

743

: 00:47:01

has witnessed in terms of money.

744

: 00:47:05

Toshi: I am Nigerian.

745

: 00:47:06

So I'm from the East.

746

: 00:47:08

Eastern part of Nigeria.

747

: 00:47:09

So we, we are from, um, from a

certain tribe called the Igbo tribe.

748

: 00:47:14

Yeah.

749

: 00:47:14

So, because Nigeria is, , divided

into, , different ethnic groups,

750

: 00:47:18

different tribes, and we have over

503 languages spoken in Nigeria.

751

: 00:47:23

Last year, towards the ending of last

year, the Central Bank of Nigeria decided

752

: 00:47:28

that they wanted to redesign the old Naira

notes, particularly the 200 Naira notes,

753

: 00:47:34

500 Naira notes and the 1000 Naira notes.

754

: 00:47:38

the CBN, CBN is Central Bank of Nigeria,

so the CBN gave a particular deadline

755

: 00:47:44

for the circulation of that old naira

nodes design because they wanted

756

: 00:47:49

it to be out of circulation, hence.

757

: 00:47:52

The banks should stop giving out that

money, that particular ordinary note

758

: 00:47:56

around to the people, and whenever people

come in to deposit the ordinary note,

759

: 00:48:01

it should remain with the bank without

it going back into circulation again.

760

: 00:48:04

But this wasn't the case.

761

: 00:48:05

It kept, the ordinary notes kept

circulating and circulating and

762

: 00:48:09

then the deadline kept, approaching.

763

: 00:48:11

And then, , the central bank gave

like an ultimatum that once it

764

: 00:48:15

gets to this particular date, that

old Naira notes becomes invalid.

765

: 00:48:19

It's no longer a legal tender.

766

: 00:48:22

we see lots of people.

767

: 00:48:24

At ATM points have

768

: 00:48:26

long queues just to be able to get have

access to the newly designed Naira notes.

769

: 00:48:32

And because, of course.

770

: 00:48:33

The newly designed Naira note

wasn't already in circulation.

771

: 00:48:37

In fact, I would say it was on a scale

of one to 10, I would say like just two

772

: 00:48:42

over 10 of that of the new design of the

Naira note was already in circulation.

773

: 00:48:47

So it was crazy.

774

: 00:48:48

And the whole 36 states of Nigeria, not

a lot of people had access to the new,

775

: 00:48:54

to the new design of the Naira notes.

776

: 00:48:56

Hence, People were beginning to

form long queues at different ATM

777

: 00:49:00

points, at different banks, people

were forming long queues for hours.

778

: 00:49:04

Some people would stay for more than

12 hours just to be able to have

779

: 00:49:08

access to the newly designed variant.

780

: 00:49:11

And, you know, at some point I had to...

781

: 00:49:13

Make trips to several locations, , to

see what really is happening.

782

: 00:49:18

And I think I should still have

some of the videos, I don't know.

783

: 00:49:20

So I started making videos so that

people would see what really is

784

: 00:49:24

happening, and it was crazy and it was

devastating, you'd see people would

785

: 00:49:28

come out as early as 6:00 AM just to

be able to withdraw their own money.

786

: 00:49:32

And at the end of the day, they would

not even be able to have access to

787

: 00:49:35

the money because at the end of the

day, you see the A t M machine would.

788

: 00:49:38

The ATM would stop dispensing cash,

and you'd see these people who

789

: 00:49:42

have left their house since 6 a.

790

: 00:49:44

m.

791

: 00:49:44

stranded with no money at all.

792

: 00:49:46

So it was really, really devastating.

793

: 00:49:49

There was no money.

794

: 00:49:50

People, for the first time in Nigeria,

people didn't have fiat to buy and

795

: 00:49:55

sell or to make payments for stuff,

because for a long time, Nigeria...

796

: 00:49:59

Cash is king in Nigeria.

797

: 00:50:01

A lot of people still use cash

to buy things, to make payments,

798

: 00:50:06

and you know, all of that stuff.

799

: 00:50:07

So cash is still king in Nigeria.

800

: 00:50:09

So it was really devastating for business

owners, for families, and all of that.

801

: 00:50:14

So, thinking about how the whole

financial ecosystem has been, you see

802

: 00:50:18

that There's a whole level of control,

the central bank, or I would say it's

803

: 00:50:23

certain, a certain group of people

have so much control about money.

804

: 00:50:28

Now, I was going somewhere, so I stopped

to get a cab, and I saw this man, he was

805

: 00:50:33

kind of like in his thirties or forties

Um, and he was in really devastated.

806

: 00:50:38

He was just standing there and he was,

he looked really helpless and he was

807

: 00:50:42

just telling the other guy that he came

out to withdraw 5, 000 Naira and 5, 000

808

: 00:50:47

Naira is actually less than 10 dollars.

809

: 00:50:51

If you see how crazy that is.

810

: 00:50:53

So he just came out to draw less

than $10 just so him and his family

811

: 00:50:57

can have something to eat for the

day, and he wasn't able to do that.

812

: 00:51:01

So he, he didn't even

know what, what to do.

813

: 00:51:03

He didn't know how to go home or what

to tell his children or family about,

814

: 00:51:08

you know, their feeding and sustain.

815

: 00:51:10

So he was just dating us, teaching and.

816

: 00:51:12

And I was just thinking, it's not

like this man doesn't have money.

817

: 00:51:16

He probably does have money in his

bank account, but here he is stranded

818

: 00:51:20

because he cannot access his money

because of the whole, the whole process

819

: 00:51:25

of redesigning Naira and all of that.

820

: 00:51:28

So, you know, at some point I began to

see, Why there is an urgent need for

821

: 00:51:33

things like something like Bitcoin.

822

: 00:51:36

Tali: You can listen to the

rest of the conversation I had

823

: 00:51:38

with Toshi in episodes 67 to 70.

824

: 00:51:42

Next up is Carrie from Australia.

825

: 00:51:45

Carrie shares openly

her personal experience.

826

: 00:51:48

From the point of view of a

Jewish descendant and the

827

: 00:51:52

lingering Generational trauma.

828

: 00:51:54

that is experienced through money.

829

: 00:51:58

Carri: I was brought up by a gold bug.

830

: 00:52:00

So my mother was hyper aware of

issues to do with debt, to do with

831

: 00:52:07

what happened when we came off the

gold standard in: 1971

832

: 00:52:12

stopped being backed by gold at all.

833

: 00:52:16

And she had painted a very, very

bleak picture for me over the years.

834

: 00:52:21

So and really gold was the only

investment that she trusted

835

: 00:52:26

and for all the right reasons.

836

: 00:52:29

Once I started hearing about Bitcoin,

not only did I connect very quickly,

837

: 00:52:35

with the problems that it solved.

838

: 00:52:39

But I also saw a much more hopeful

picture for humanity than I had

839

: 00:52:44

seen at any point in my life.

840

: 00:52:48

Even with gold, because I

didn't see gold as hope.

841

: 00:52:52

I saw gold as a potential escape, as a

way of maintaining value when the rest of

842

: 00:52:59

currency went to zero in purchasing power.

843

: 00:53:03

But I did not see it as hope for humanity.

844

: 00:53:07

Bitcoin not only has the capacity

to maintain purchasing power

845

: 00:53:13

against fiat, like gold, but it

is transformative in terms of what

846

: 00:53:20

it does for us as individuals and

therefore for society as a whole.

847

: 00:53:25

And it's a deeply, deeply

powerful, world changing technology

848

: 00:53:32

like the internet on steroids.

849

: 00:53:35

I will say this on a very personal note,

being brought up by a gold bug and being

850

: 00:53:39

told every single conversation from the

age of five and probably less, that The

851

: 00:53:46

world is terrible and there's no hope

and Western civilization is broken and

852

: 00:53:55

is doomed and I suffered with terrible

depression for many years and a lot of

853

: 00:54:02

it was because of this sense of doom

and gloom and that there really was

854

: 00:54:09

no hope and that There was no way out.

855

: 00:54:13

And so perhaps for me, part of

the excitement of discovering

856

: 00:54:20

Bitcoin was, it was quite personal.

857

: 00:54:24

It wasn't just the global South.

858

: 00:54:27

It wasn't just debt.

859

: 00:54:29

It wasn't just the next generation and

all those kind of altruistic things.

860

: 00:54:35

There was something very

personal in it for me, that.

861

: 00:54:38

When I say it was the first hope I

had in over 50 years, I really mean

862

: 00:54:44

that at a, in a deeply personal way.

863

: 00:54:48

And as someone who's Jewish and was

brought up with stories of the Holocaust,

864

: 00:54:51

and my mother was brought up in the UK

being bombed, and I've told this story a

865

: 00:54:56

couple of different places, but you know,

her brothers were fighting in the war.

866

: 00:55:00

They were both pilots, I

think, or one might've been.

867

: 00:55:03

Air Force and one might have been Navy.

868

: 00:55:05

I might have that wrong.

869

: 00:55:07

And you know, cousin in

concentration camp, et cetera.

870

: 00:55:11

And Really, part of her whole, my

whole upbringing was the West is

871

: 00:55:18

going to hell in a hand basket.

872

: 00:55:20

People turn on each other when things get

ugly and Jews will be blamed and vilified.

873

: 00:55:26

And so there was a very personal

aspect to all of what was going on

874

: 00:55:32

with money printing and with debt.

875

: 00:55:35

It felt like the world was

a very dangerous place.

876

: 00:55:39

I never really got past that.

877

: 00:55:42

And Bitcoin.

878

: 00:55:43

started to help to heal me.

879

: 00:55:46

And part of that is the

hope of the protocol itself.

880

: 00:55:52

And part of it is the community who

perceive the world in a not dissimilar way

881

: 00:55:57

to me, and a sense of finding my tribe.

882

: 00:56:01

But it's a very broad

and very diverse tribe.

883

: 00:56:04

I've been toying recently, as I

think as we all do, when we first

884

: 00:56:08

encounter Bitcoin, is this a cult?

885

: 00:56:10

Am I falling for something here?

886

: 00:56:13

And then someone like Greg Foss is so

helpful here when he goes, it's just math.

887

: 00:56:19

And you go, okay, so

I'm in the cult of math.

888

: 00:56:23

I can live with that.

889

: 00:56:24

To the degree that math is a cult.

890

: 00:56:27

That's apparently the cult I'm a part of.

891

: 00:56:30

Tali: You can catch the rest

of my interview with Carrie.

892

: 00:56:33

On episode 74.

893

: 00:56:36

Before I go on and share the

last story with you today.

894

: 00:56:40

I want to share a very exciting new

project with you in the orange header

895

: 00:56:44

initiative which is what I called, Chain.

896

: 00:56:49

Intention experiment.

897

: 00:56:50

Bitcoin edition.

898

: 00:56:51

I have recently been reading Lynne

McTaggart's work on intention experiment.

899

: 00:56:57

And I thought, why not?

900

: 00:56:59

Bitcoin?

901

: 00:57:00

We have so many women who are trying to

make a difference in the Bitcoin space.

902

: 00:57:07

And thoughts have power.

903

: 00:57:09

So.

904

: 00:57:10

I created the intention experiment.

905

: 00:57:13

You can find it on my

www.orangehatter.com/intention-

906

: 00:57:21

experiment.

907

: 00:57:23

Or you can go to the main web page and

go under the tab labeled get involved

908

: 00:57:29

and find intention experiment there.

909

: 00:57:32

The kickoff is going to be on the last

day of the women's retreat in Mexico.

910

: 00:57:37

I think it's really fitting.

911

: 00:57:38

That after the women have absorbed

all the wonderful energy and shed

912

: 00:57:43

negativity and raised our vibration,

that it would be the perfect time to

913

: 00:57:48

kick off our intention experiment with

women from around the world and men too.

914

: 00:57:54

it will only take 15 minutes, five minutes

to gather five minutes to focus with

915

: 00:58:00

a breathing exercise or two, and then

five minutes of sending our collective

916

: 00:58:06

thought energy toward our intention.

917

: 00:58:08

I am in the process of talking to

different leaders in the Bitcoin

918

: 00:58:13

space to figure out a measurable metric

that we can all send our intention

919

: 00:58:18

to so that we can start to track

the impact of our group intention.

920

: 00:58:23

And it will be an ongoing thing,

but our kickoff right now is going.

921

: 00:58:28

Going.

922

: 00:58:28

To be a March the 20th.

923

: 00:58:31

It is a Wednesday.

924

: 00:58:32

And it will be at 11 o'clock

Eastern standard time.

925

: 00:58:37

for more information, go to the web page

and sign up to be on the email list.

926

: 00:58:43

As we get more details I will share.

927

: 00:58:45

And also of course, send reminders out.

928

: 00:58:49

Let's see what we can do by.

929

: 00:58:51

Synergizing our thought energy.

930

: 00:58:54

it's a new territory for me.

931

: 00:58:56

But the more women I talked to

her in the space, the more I

932

: 00:58:59

realized that we all understand.

933

: 00:59:02

That there is this undeniable

energy flow that is moving Bitcoin.

934

: 00:59:09

And we want to add some oomph to that.

935

: 00:59:13

And, um, you know, play our part.

936

: 00:59:16

So if you want to get

involved, make sure you go to.

937

: 00:59:19

www.orangehatter.com/intention-experiment

and get your name on the email list

938

: 00:59:27

and join our livestream on March the

20th for the intention experiment.

939

: 00:59:33

All right.

940

: 00:59:34

So now.

941

: 00:59:35

I want to share the last story with you.

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Mary Lou is one of my favorite guests.

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So humble.

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What an incredible life story

she shared on the podcast.

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And I want to show you a little

clip before we wrap up today.

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Mary Lou: I'm Mary Lou,

and my husband is Jeff.

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We've been married 48 years.

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We have four children plus

another one we call a son.

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We have ten grandchildren so far.

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And I'm also close with my three brothers.

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And what a blessing to

be surrounded by family.

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So, God and family are the things that

are very important to me the most.

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I feel like.

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The reason I was put here on earth was to

raise children into a whole new generation

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for our country and for our world.

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So that was my definite main focus.

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Now that I'm older.

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I, I'm retired from my real job.

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I was Director of Religious Education

for the Catholic Church, actually for

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five Catholic churches at the same time.

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Growing up I grew up

below the poverty level.

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My dad had four jobs, but

no benefits whatsoever.

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No health insurance, just by the hour.

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, and.

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It never bothered me that

we were really poverty.

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, we had cousins that were on what

they called welfare back then.

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And they would share some of their

stuff with us , if we really needed.

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I feel very blessed that I

was never jealous or envious.

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of my cousins for receiving, again, they

called it welfare back then, I know they

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call it something else nowadays and back

then, you wouldn't have food stamps or

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EBT cards, you would go line up in long

lines down Main Street to a building

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where you would pick up welfare food.

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And it was interesting.

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It was, , it almost looked like army

food where you'd get an enormous

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can of tuna fish and printed on it.

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It said tuna fish.

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That was the only thing on the can,

you know, and a block of cheese,

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but it would be like 10 pounds.

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In one block, and it said cheese.

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So, you know, whatever

kind it was I don't know.

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But my, my, I would say, if, send Mary Lou

if she comes and stands in line with us.

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I'll give her some of

the stuff we don't like.

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So, We had a lot of stuff

we didn't like either.

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My older brother and I still to this

day talk about we'd get a cardboard box

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and inside was a plastic bag and the

box said, Non fat, dry powdered milk.

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That was exactly what it said.

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It was the worst.

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And we, my mom and I, we'd mix it in

a blender and you had to mix it with

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warm milk because it would be too

lumpy and then put it in the fridge.

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And I say that because it goes to

show how I became a saver, not a

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spender, how to get along in life with

a low amount of money for many years.

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, I'm not a person that wants to

be wealthy, just comfortable.

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And I think through these life choices

and life learnings, but mainly due to

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God's blessings, we're comfortable enough.

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We're ready for retirement

should it come, you know.

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, my husband has been working, if I can

brag, 51 years at the same company.

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I heard about Bitcoin through my son.

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He started to tell my husband and I

about Bitcoin he was diving into it.

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, , he was really pouring time into it.

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He wanted to share this with

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was not really interested.

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And I will see you in the next episode.