Bonus - OneLineDesign with Julia - "The line describes the object."

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I just started with the most basic thing of drawing a line and just,

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filled the whole page with this one line

and it never crossed or touched itself.

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And I looked at it afterwards

and I thought, Oh, this

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looks actually really nice.

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Tali: Hey, everybody.

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Welcome to Orange Hatter.

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Tali art: I wanted to roll this new

thing, I'm talking to all these women

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Bitcoiners about their Bitcoin journey.

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But if there's something in our

conversation that is unusual,

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or I'm curious about, I wanted

to roll out bonus episodes.

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So people would have something other than

Bitcoin stories to Learn about almost

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like a lifestyle section of the newspaper.

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So that's the way I'm seeing this

conversation You're not necessarily

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going to tie it to Bitcoin, but it's

just a part of your life and it's really

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interesting So I wanted to explore it.

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Okay, so everybody already knows

who you are Julia And so we'll just

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jump right in to talk about your art

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Julia art: Okay,

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Tali art: Okay.

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So Julia, , I went on your

website and I checked out your art.

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I love the statement that you had on

the top page where you said the art

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comes out of you and your hand follows.

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Tell us a little bit about that.

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Julia art: so that's really how it

all started and it was, , I remember

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the moment because I had, I was young

and still single and was in the year

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2000 or 2001, I think 2000, I think,

um, and I would travel to Australia.

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Cause I'd made a contact there

and I thought, Hey, , I'm young

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and free and let's just go.

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And so I got my visa for three months and.

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Went over, and visited this person

and we had a pretty wild time.

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I won't go into details,

but not relationship wise.

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It was, you know, just party, party time.

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Anyway, I was sitting at Bondi Beach,

, with a piece of paper and a pen in

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hand and thought, okay, well, you know.

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What could I possibly do?

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And it just started, I just started

with the most basic thing of drawing

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a line and just, I just filled the

whole page with this one line and

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it never crossed or touched itself.

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And I looked at it afterwards

and I thought, Oh, this

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looks actually really nice.

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And so I did my first ones.

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They were just filling

out the page with this.

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Flowing line and, um, later on I

started to do the, the shapes where

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the line would describe the object.

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Tali art: The line would

describe the object.

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That is such an interesting

way of looking at it.

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So, okay.

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As we were talking about before, your

style, the one that you just described, so

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using one line that doesn't cross itself.

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To describe an object.

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I have seen a lot of artwork like

that over the last few years.

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you started this in the year 2000.

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Did you start this movement?

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Julia art: I have no idea.

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I mean, I, what I did when I

came back and I started having a

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little collection of originals, I

did print posters and postcards.

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And I just sold them at the local,

art and crafts and gypsy markets.

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I went every weekend with my little

stall and started to flock my work.

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And that was fun for a while.

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and eventually I got my website and, you

know, who knows, you know, it's just, you

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know, it's, it's, um, it's just a line.

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I mean, everybody can use a black

line to draw things, obviously.

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But yeah, it was , my thing 20 years ago.

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Tali art: So when you first started

to show your artwork to people at

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your stall, what were some of the

responses from those early days?

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Julia art: People loved it when once

they understood what it really was, i.

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e.

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the one line at first, you just see

a black and white piece of work.

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You don't know, you know, and then you

look in detail and you'll probably read

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the logo, which is one line design.

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And then there's usually the moment of.

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Suspense when they start thinking

and looking again, and then they

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ask, is this really one line?

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And I would say, yes, take

all the time you need.

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Um, and then, you know,

I did sell quite a bit.

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Sure.

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Tali art: Okay, so walk me through the

process of creating a one line artwork.

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I've looked at, , some of , the

pieces you have on your website

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and they get very intricate.

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So do you see the image in your mind

and then just start tracing the outline?

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Do you start from a dot in the

center and you work your way out?

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What is that process , for you?

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Julia art: Uh, usually I find, uh, uh,

a photo or an image that speaks to me.

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And I will then take that and copy

it onto my, my piece of cardboard

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or paper that I'm working on.

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And I will outline it with

a very fine pencil line.

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I will draw the object, um, or

whatever, if it's got writing on

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it or, you know, the very, and that

gets, then later on I will erase that

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very, very fine pencil lines just

to help me remember , where I'm at.

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And then I just think about where

do I want to bring in the black

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line and where do I want to take

out the black line and then I start.

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Tali art: Is each artwork literally a, you

sit down, you start and you finish project

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or is this something that you come back

and fill in and come back and fill in?

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Julia art: Um, it's

pretty straightforward.

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I mean, it doesn't mean that I draw

the whole thing in one setting.

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But, um, it's not something where I

can't, you know, I can't change my

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mind in the middle of it kind of,

you know, I can't really change the

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design around once I've decided on it.

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But I can take my pencil or

my ink pen off the paper, yes.

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Tali art: For something like that, where

it's not like you're layering on like

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oil painting or even, watercolor.

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have to be so strategic when you're

planning out where you put your pen down.

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So is that just the way

that you see things?

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You know how some, some artists, they

just see the world in a certain way that

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is just different from everybody else.

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Is that the way you see the world?

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Julia art: I don't know.

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I don't, I've never looked

through anybody else's eyes.

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How do I know how you see the world?

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I don't, I mean, um, yeah, but

you have to be strategic in a way.

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Cause you know, I've, I've messed.

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It also happened that I made a mistake

and then I can throw the whole thing away.

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Cause if I put myself into a dead

end kind of thing, then that's it.

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So I do have to think about how

I'm going to pull that through.

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Yes.

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Tali art: So if you're creating a piece

of art, like one of the ones you have done

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on the, like the horses, how long does

it take usually from beginning to end?

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Julia art: So you're talking

about the horse head, I guess.

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Yes.

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That's um, that's a big one, a bigger one.

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Uh, so beginning to end, if I have

the time to work on it, I would

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say between one and three days.

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Tali art: I mean, it's very

intricate and very, very beautiful.

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You also have two other styles.

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One is with dots and one is just

with literally straight lines.

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Julia art: And another

one, which is the scribbly

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Tali art: scribbling one.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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Julia art: Yeah, so it's vertical

lines, dots and scribbles.

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Yes.

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Tali art: Okay.

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So the vertical lines, do you also

outline what you want in the middle, in

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the negative space and then just fill

in lines in the, okay, got it, got it.

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What about the dots?

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I love the dot, especially that

child, with the head , in his knees.

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Julia art: Yeah, that was, I would, for

me personally, that was probably one of

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my, I would call it masterpieces because

the dots are way more time consuming.

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So, you know, that way more, it

takes hours and hours and hours

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because you can't slur every dot

has to be put in, in a precise way.

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, and that took me many hours.

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I don't know.

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I didn't count the time, but

yeah, it was a very It's also

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quite a large, uh, original.

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So it's probably 60 by 80 or something.

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That's a lot of little dots.

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Tali art: are you selling the

original or just the, , reprints?

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Julia art: Uh, at the moment I'm

really not selling anything much.

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cause I.

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find it really quite

hard to sell my own work.

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You know, artists are often pretty

bad at selling their own art.

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but I decided to leave the website

up and running because I want people

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to be able to contact me through

it and to see it and, and so on.

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So reprints, yes.

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Definitely originals.

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No, I don't sell.

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I have given a few away.

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I have had one commission work,

which obviously I did sell.

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but only the, the, how many of my

paintings did I actually give away?

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Maybe two or three very, it

had to be very precious people.

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That gained an original.

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So yeah, it's, it's there

mostly here in my house.

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Tali art: So, when you choose something to

work on, to create, on, is it on canvas?

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Julia art: No, it's, I, I've worked

on Canvas, but I prefer to work on

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a really strong white cardboard.

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It's a, it,

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Tali art: when you're deciding what

image to create what kind of...

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, Criteria do you have?

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Maybe criteria is not the

right word for artists.

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But how do you feel led to

create what you create on paper?

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Julia art: well, I must find the, the

image attractive and, uh, inspiring.

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Hey, um, could be, could

come from anywhere really.

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Um, I just need to feel

a connection to that.

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visual piece of art, whether

it's a photo or somebody else's

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work or whatever it may be.

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Tali art: And is this

something that you have?

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You said it was kind of a

dormant part of your life.

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People when they don't have the

opportunity to self express, feel

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like something is missing.

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So Do you have any of

those feelings right now?

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Is there a particular

reason why you stopped?

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Julia art: Well, at the time it

was, it was a very strong pull

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and I really needed to do this.

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So I had a very intense,

intensely creative time for

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a while in my early twenties.

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And then life went on and faded

out of my life again, but I've

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naturally very creative person.

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So it doesn't really matter to me

if I build my house or if I paint

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a picture, this is all creation.

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Um, so I don't feel like I'm lacking

creative outlet because my whole life

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is a creative outlet, if you will.

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Tali art: I love that.

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So , how are you expressing

yourself creatively these days?

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Julia art: Well, I'm raising children

and um, you know, I've created a family.

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That's not bad.

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Um, I have designed my own house.

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I have, um, designed my own

piece of land and I don't know.

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It's just, I feel like, um,

creation is also manifestation.

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So you create your life, you

manifest your life in a way.

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So I feel that's all creative outlets.

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It doesn't have to be pen and paper.

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Tali art: you said you created your house.

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Did you draw it out and

have your husband build it?

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What do you mean by that?

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Julia art: I bought, I bought the

house before I met my husband,

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um, just before, funnily enough.

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Um, so I, I bought a ruin.

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It was, it was just the, the

outer wall standing and it had

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completely collapsed in on itself.

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But I've fallen in love with the

place and the house and the location.

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And so I went on to this adventure and I.

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I took what was left and I believe I

created something beautiful out of it.

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I mean, I get a lot of positive,

feedback from people who come here

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and they say, Oh, this is, this is

so beautiful and you know, well done.

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And so, yeah, it was a ruin

and now it's a, our home.

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Tali art: So did you build it by hand?

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, or did you just sketch it

out and hire contractors?

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How did you do that?

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Julia art: Yeah, I sketched it out

and hired a contract, contractor, yes.

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I mean, the, the rough stuff, huh?

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Later on, then obviously a house

never finishes, but we did lots

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over the years, bit by bit, but

the, the course rough first draw, i.

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e.

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putting the roof on the ceilings and,

you know, putting the windows in and

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everything that was done by a contractor.

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But then all the interior, the

tiles, et cetera, et cetera,

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that was done by us mostly.

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over the years.

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Tali art: So is there any plan for you

to return to the one line artwork that

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you were working on, or is it just going

to be something that you did in the past

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Julia art: Uh, we'll find out if,

you know, I don't have the plan,

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but then I don't have many plans

and life just hands them to me.

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So I'm open, you know, at the moment

I've still got, I don't, at the

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moment, it's not the right time

for me to sit down and draw, but

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when the time comes, I will know.

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And I will draw who knows.

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Tali art: and you homeschool your kids?

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So what kind of art projects

do you have them experience?

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Julia art: Yeah, that's interesting.

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The kids actually, because we

have, , great art teacher in the

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village and she runs weekly art

classes, , over the school terms.

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And she's really, really

offered them a great variety of

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projects and, and approaches.

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And my daughter is very much, you can see.

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my work in there.

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She does intricate black

and white drawings.

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It's really interesting, huh?

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And actually thinking back to my

own school work, um, and I did

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keep a few of my school pieces.

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I was always drawn to intricate

black and white stuff.

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So it runs in the family.

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Yeah.

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Tali art: Do the two of you sit down side

by side and draw together, or do you work?

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sometimes together in the same art piece.

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Julia art: No, she does her work and

I'm not actually drawing at the moment.

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So, but that's okay.

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You know, I appreciate her work a lot.

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And I, I tell her how

much it's like my work.

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And so my son is very different and

he's very bold and colorful and yeah,

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just a completely opposite style really.

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Tali art: I love how free

children are when they draw.

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I have pictures from my son when

he was five or six, and it's

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just piece of paper and a pen.

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And he would draw these elaborate

battle scenes from aliens and

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stuff like that, and there was no

feel like every stroke is so free.

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And The images are really full of

emotion versus, , when they get older,

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they start to critique themselves

and the lines get less and less bold.

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And then eventually just, they

just say, Oh, I'm not an artist.

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I can't draw.

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And I think that's.

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really very sad.

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And I keep telling my

kids, nobody's judging you.

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This is just you drawing.

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Do you see that kind of tendency?

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You have a 12 year old, right?

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So, um, by the time my son

was 12, he, he has stopped.

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Julia art: Uh, my daughter is 10.

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So, um, and I, um, I can't, I mean, yes,

she's, um, I think she's more critical

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of her own work than my six year old.

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Sure, I think that's normal and that's

kind of, that's not even a bad thing.

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I mean, you do need to look at your

own and work and compare yourself.

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So you know where you are and

where you want to get to as well.

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but I don't think she's being

discouraged from anywhere because...

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you know, that's just, it's cool.

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It's good where you are and keep

on working and that's all good.

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It's all, it's all great.

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Yes.

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Tali art: Your homeschooling, I'm

guessing you have, you're part of a

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homeschooling group where you are.

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Julia art: Kind of, we try to

do as much as possible together.

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Um, like art, for example, is an

easy one, but, um, we have different

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nationalities and very different

levels of schooling with the kids.

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And so the, the base layer stuff, I

feel that mostly the parents do it

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at home with their individual child,

because it's very difficult to throw

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them all in one room and expect them

to learn one language and one writing.

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And it just doesn't work.

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They need to, you know,

they, you need to be able to.

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to join them.

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Uh, so that works for, for excursions,

history, uh, art, all that kind of stuff.

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But for the basics, mathematics,

writing, reading, uh, it's probably

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mostly done at home, individually.

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Tali art: So is it a situation

where the parents will step up and.

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Just teach extracurricular classes.

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I'm, I'm trying to see if

you would be willing to teach

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art in a setting like that.

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Yeah.

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Julia art: Oh, no, not willing.

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Like when I see what the other mother

does, she's a, she's a true artist.

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Let's say, I just had this pull at

that point in my life, but she really

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understands paints and colors and shapes.

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And, you know, she

understands the whole thing.

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I don't.

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You know, I'm, I just can do my

thing and I do it when I feel I need

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to, but I don't think that I would

be a good art teacher at all, you

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know, it's all about know thyself.

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Uh, no.

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Tali art: I had a friend years ago

who used to write poetry and she

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said the inspiration will come into

her mind and she had to hurry up and

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jot it down because it might leave

before she's all done recording it.

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Is that kind of.

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What you experienced.

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Julia art: Yes, exactly.

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You know, you gotta do what you gotta do.

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When you feel the call and that's that.

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Yeah.

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You can't really wait with these things.

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It's, um.

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It's an urge.

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Tali art: So would you agree with

the statement that creativity doesn't

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necessarily stem from inside of

you, but it is, it is also outside

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of you and you become sort of a

conduit for inflow of information.

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Julia art: Yes, I think so.

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Yes, totally.

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That's how I feel mostly

when I did my work.

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It's like, I don't know

where this comes from.

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It's just something I feel I need to do.

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And so I did.

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Tali art: Cool.

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Oh, so your website is called

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Julia art: One line design.

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Tali art: One line design.

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Okay, I

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Julia art: One line

design and then it's info.

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Unfortunately,

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I was mal advised at the time and we

didn't buy the com, which was stupid,

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but there, there we've got info.

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One line design info.

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Tali art: Okay.

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And you are still selling

prints for your artwork.

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Julia art: I could, in theory, I

would have to think long and hard

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about it, but yeah, I still have some

pieces around the house, uh, prints,

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which I could send out and sell.

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Tali art: Okay.

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And what would you like to tell

aspiring artists out there who don't

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think that they're necessarily an

artist, but they just feel an urge to

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express themselves in a certain Um,

what would you say to those people?

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Julia art: Um, do what you have to do.

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You never know what comes out of it.

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Um, if you feel, if you feel that

this is something you want to

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do and need to do, then do it.

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And don't question too much.

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Just try how it feels when you do it.

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So I find that my is

maybe especially my work.

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It's incredibly, I think it really

think it does something to your brain.

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It's a very meditative thing.

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You, you tune.

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I think it's different

brain waves taking over.

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It's like meditation in a way, I guess.

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Tali art: Okay.

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You know, I have to ask this

question because you do art.

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What do you think about

what's happening with AI art?

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Julia art: Huh?

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I mean, I love some of it.

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It's, um, I really do love some of it.

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And I do think that AI art is

going to take over just as AI in

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general is going to take over a lot.

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But that, like, AI can't sculpt, or

it probably will be at some point.

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I don't know.

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We will just see.

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It's, it's this, uh, this journey with

AI is very, very interesting, huh?

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Um, and I think the only thing

we have is to stay open minded

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because we can't fight it.

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We can't get rid of it.

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Uh, we mustn't glorify it too much either.

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I think it will just find its

natural place because we've

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had other threats, so to say.

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I think the internet itself

was threatening at the time.

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of emergence to many people.

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It's okay.

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It will be, it will level itself out.

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I believe.

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I hope

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Tali art: My daughter sketches and

she's super critical of her own work

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and every piece of art she shows

people, she would say, this was terrible.

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And and I kept telling her, I said, I

do think you have a gift because I hear

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some from somewhere that if you draw

a face, the hardest part about drawing

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the face is to make the eyes look alive.

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Otherwise they look dead, right?

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She can make her eyes look alive.

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So I said, that's, that's already

something that's incredible.

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But no, every piece of work she

does, she's like, I'm terrible.

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I'm, I can't draw.

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I'm like, yes, you can.

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But yeah, artists can be

very critical of themselves.

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But I think what you did,

I mean, the lines and dots

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, they're just very beautiful.

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So simple.

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It's minimalist and It's such a contrast

to, I think, like the AI generated

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stuff, which is just layers and layers

of, you know, stuff and so colorful and

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I don't know this, I love your style.

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So, and I think it's very exciting

that you build your own house.

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That's, that's so cool.

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I hope to see it one day.

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Julia art: Okay, cool.

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Let's make it happen.

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Tali art: All right.

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Well, thank you so much.

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That was really fun.

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I hope a lot of people will, , go

and check out your website.

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, and maybe one day you'll pick up the

pen again when the time is right.

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You know, that we go through seasons

and your season right now is, Your kids.

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So, yeah.

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Julia art: I think I'm probably just

gonna about to start a new job as well.

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So yes, I've got other things to do.

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Tali art: Yeah, you were going to

start the yoga horse therapy thing.

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Julia art: No horse training.

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Yeah.

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So let's see.

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Let's see

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Tali art: I think that's so exciting.

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Thank you so much for your time.

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I really appreciate it.