Episode 79

Eryn - "Bitcoin could change the world and make it difficult for states to exist -my arch nemesis"

To reach Eryn:

Nostr npub:  npub1e2rd2k45ym2jmctnysfadxumrvrr57vqj69ck6trt2y62c40r0kqs9lx8t

Email:  relthompson@zoho.com

Etsy shop:  https://www.etsy.com/shop/WrensNestHandmade

Because there doesn't seem to be a way to pay in Bitcoin on Etsy, Eryn doesn't post Bitcoin-only items there.

She encourages people to reach out to her through email or nostr if you would like Chinese translation or lessons or pottery.

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Transcript
Eryn:

Bitcoin could change the world and make it difficult for

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states to exist -my arch nemesis

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Tali: Hey, everybody.

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Welcome to Orange Hatter.

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All right, Eryn, so happy to

have you on Orange Hatter.

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Can't wait to dive into your background

and lots of really interesting stories.

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So welcome to the show, Eryn.

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Eryn: Thank you.

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I'm really happy to be here.

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Tali: Thank you for coming Yeah, give our

audience a little sense of your background

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Eryn: Okay.

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So I lived most of my

life in North Carolina.

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I went to the University of North

Carolina at Chapel Hill, got a BA

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degree, double major with a minor.

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I double majored in linguistics and Asian

studies, concentration in Chinese language

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and culture, which is as close as you

can get to majoring in Chinese language.

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And then I majored in cognitive

science because I was like, I would

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really love to be a neuroscientist,

and I didn't do so well in chemistry,

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even though I love chemistry, so

what's an alternative way to get in?

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I know linguistics, and then

I did nothing with that.

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So, it's always fascinated me,

like, people, how do they think, how

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does the brain work, but, you know,

it's kind of on a sideburner now.

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so now I am a translator of Mandarin.

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I taught Mandarin for many years

and then went to live in China,

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got inspired to be a translator

instead and I like doing that.

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I also am a very artsy person.

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I'm a potter.

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I've sold some pieces.

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I'm building that business up slowly.

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I would really like to do that.

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My ultimate goal is to be like

a homesteader and potter and do

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some translation work and just

do all the things that I enjoy.

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So basically.

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I do gig work right now, and art.

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And I'm soon to be a

mom for the first time.

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I just turned 35, back in late

August, and I will be having

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my daughter early November.

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Tali: I actually have a

similar story with my major.

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I went to the University of Virginia

and And I spent a year in Japan

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and I wanted to do a Japanese

major, but that was not offered.

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So I ended up in Asian studies as well.

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And my specialty was Japanese language.

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So my first job was also.

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a translator.

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So I want to dive into that a little bit.

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What kind of stuff do you translate?

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Eryn: It's gig work, so it's

basically whatever people

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want who are willing to pay.

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And it has been across the board.

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Most of it has been in the video game

industry translating texts of video

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games or advertisements for video games.

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and I really like that.

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But some of it has also been, um, like

a user manual, or hey, my company shut

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down that I was teaching for, but I'm

still willing to teach your children.

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So here's my information kind of letters

that she then sent out to the parents

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of the kids she was teaching English

to, all over the map, everything.

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Tali: How do people find you to

do their translation services?

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Eryn: Well, a couple different ways.

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I'm on Fiverr.

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Um, and I have, my website . My website

needs a little work, to be honest.

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But people have found me through my

website that is from my teaching days.

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And, uh, I need to be more clear on it

about I do translation now, everyone!

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But people have actually found me

to do translation for them through

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it, so it still kind of works.

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but it there's some room for improvement.

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Anyway.

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But yeah, various methods.

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Also, like, sending out to people

in person, Hey, I'm a translator!

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and just kind of word of

mouth, uh, networking.

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And that's actually how I got my...

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Translation gig that I

did for Bitcoin as well.

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So I have so far done one

translation gig paid in Bitcoin.

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That was actually through like a friend

of a friend or somebody that he knew.

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And I'm like, yeah, this is great.

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Tali: Are you allowed to talk

about that Bitcoin project?

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Eryn: I think so.

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Um, hmm.

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So, maybe not so much because...

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This person was very concerned about

doxxing, like, I assumed that he knew

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my friend who put me in touch with him

and knew where he lived as a general

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rule, like, oh, that's where I live.

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And he's like, don't doxx this person.

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I can't know that.

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I'm like, oh, okay.

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I didn't realize.

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I mean, that's a large area, you know,

I didn't think I was being bad sharing

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that, but I'm like, okay, so maybe I

can't go too in depth, but basically

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I was translating a pamphlet that was

would be handed out to small businesses

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to encourage them to accept Bitcoin and

become part of this parallel economy.

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Um, so I, that was actually

an English to Chinese project.

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And, um, most of my work is the other way.

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\ that's interesting, like the guy

drafted in English and he's like,

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can you translate this is Chinese?

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So I'm assuming that it's going to

people who speak Chinese, maybe not in

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China, but maybe in Taiwan, maybe in

like Singapore or maybe in Chinatown.

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I don't know, Flushing,

New York or something.

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Tali: Yeah, that was

going to be my question.

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Is it allowed?

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Like, can they hand out

pamphlets like that in China?

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I wasn't sure.

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Eryn: I would guess not, I mean, because,

I know vague things, even though I lived

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there for a while, I know vague things

about, like, what's legal, what's not,

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and that might be a little bit because...

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How things are enforced is

a little vague in China.

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So for example, street sellers,

completely illegal, but they're

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everywhere and nobody cracks it down,

except sometimes when they feel like it.

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Um, there's like a lot of

other things that go on too.

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Like the company that I had worked

for when I was there, like, oh yeah,

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I'm going to work for this company.

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They're on the up and up.

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It's fine.

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Oh yeah, behind the scenes,

they're bribing officials to

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be able to stay in business.

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everyone has to.

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So it's, very gray area.

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What is acceptable what's not,

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Technically not acceptable

to do Bitcoin in China.

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And yet I know that it is done.

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So, uh, on Noster, I've been

hanging out on Noster a lot.

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And what that is, is kind of

like email as a protocol and I'm

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not a technical person, so I'm.

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halfway parroting this and

halfway understanding it.

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Uh, just like email is a protocol

and you can have Gmail to use email.

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You can have Yahoo to use email.

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You can have whatever to use email.

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Noster is a protocol for,

basically having a social network

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or actually other things too.

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It's a little interesting.

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People are like, what if we did

blah, blah, blah with Noster, like

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Steam, the video game platform,

like emulate that sort of thing or

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like other things that I wouldn't.

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Normally think of for it, but

they think of like, we can

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use this protocol for this.

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And I'm like, I don't see how,

but okay, go ahead and try.

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Um, but yeah, it's an interesting thing

to be learning about anyway, what it is.

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It's a circle back around is mostly used

to be like Twitter, quote unquote, except

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it's decentralized and uncensorable, can't

be shut down, , and that's interesting.

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And people also love using Bitcoin on it.

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They'll zap each other's sats.

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So like, if you write something that

people like, then they'll send you

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pieces of Bitcoin and it's very cool.

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And you can do the same to them.

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So.

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Anyway, I'm on Noster a lot these

days, and I was consciously trying to

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find, , Chinese people to follow , it's

not my native language, so I need it in

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front of me a lot in order to keep it.

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So the more Chinese I see day to day,

the more Chinese I use day to day, the

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better a translator I'm going to be,

and the less I'm going to feel like

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I'm just like, oh, I'm horrible, I'm

letting this go, I'm losing my skills.

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. So I was finding people to follow

and yeah, there are Chinese people

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who speak Mandarin Chinese, not

Cantonese and use simplified characters,

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not traditional characters, which

means they're not from Taiwan.

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They're on here and they're using Bitcoin.

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Uh, at least a couple of them that

are, like, two out of the three or

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so that I've so far found to follow,

are currently living in Japan.

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So that might be part of it, but

I don't think all of them are.

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I think some of them are just

being sneaky and good for them.

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Tali: Yeah, I don't think a lot of

people know this, but Chinese characters,

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there are two different types.

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There's the traditional, which are used,

I believe, in Taiwan and Singapore.

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And then you have the simplified, a

format that was promoted by communist

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China years ago to make it easier.

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And like Ping Ying was created

to make it easier for foreigners

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to use their language.

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And so I was born and raised in Taiwan.

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So that's the language I know.

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Those are the characters I know.

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And so when I have to translate.

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traditional to simplify, it actually

is a bit of a challenge for me.

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So when you started studying Chinese,

were you exclusively exposed to

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the simplified Chinese and pinging?

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Eryn: yes, I was exclusively exposed

to Simplified and, um, kind of

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funny story at the very first.

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My Yeah, very first class ever.

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My teacher didn't believe in pinyin.

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She's like, I'm not going to use this

with you, uh, or anyone else in the class.

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and I do kind of respect that,

but at the same time it also led

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me to make some silly mistakes.

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So, um, I appreciate that it

forced me to pay attention

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to what do things sound like.

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But what I don't like is that

it sometimes led me to think

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the wrong thing was being said.

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And what I mean by that is, so, zhōng

guó, right, China, zhōng, like, that

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ends in like an ng type sound, right?

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But because I didn't know anything about

Chinese phonology yet, this was my first

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class, and I have no letters to look at

to help me understand what I'm hearing.

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I thought it was jōng guō with an m

sound at the end, and Chinese does not

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have m sounds at the end of anything.

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So I'm like, I didn't hear that right.

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So then when I started learning

pinyin later, I'm like, oh, that

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sounds the same as this sound and

oh, nothing ever ends in m ever.

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So yeah, so Pinyin can help, but

yeah, I agree it can also really hurt.

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And so when I was teaching, I

was very, very careful to tell my

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students, don't let Pinyin confuse you.

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Please listen to what I say

and only let it help you.

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But primarily listen to what I say

for pronunciation guide, because it's.

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Pinyin is written with English

letters and the letters do not always

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sound like the English equivalent.

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So for example, R is

a really good example.

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So in English, R sounds like ra.

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And in Chinese, it's, if it's

at the beginning of a word,

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it's going to be kind of zhe.

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So it's between R and

like the zhe in garage.

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It's an important distinction.

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And

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A U, the letter U, depending on

what comes after or before it,

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it can sound completely different

and sometimes be literally a

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sound not spurred in English ever.

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Kind of the E, or Uber from German.

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Um, it's sometimes called

the French U as well.

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So, I could nerd out

about linguistics all day.

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I can tell you, study IPA, the

International Phonetic Alphabet.

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That will help you to understand

whatever sound you hear in any

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language, this sort of thing.

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But...

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Basically, yeah.

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Um, all this to say, yeah, I studied

pinyin, but, um, simplified characters.

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So I find traditional characters

sometimes, uh, stump me.

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Like, I'll be reading a thing, and

then I'll just, like, stop because

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I don't recognize this character.

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I'm like, oh, it's a

traditional character.

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What exactly is this again?

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I know some of them.

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I don't know all of them.

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I was never formally taught them.

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I should probably teach

myself at this point, but...

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Yeah.

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Tali: When my kids were growing up, I

tried to just Play Disney movies that

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have been dubbed over in Mandarin so

that they can just hear the sound But

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I never actually taught them Chinese

now that they're grown they want to

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learn and they're learning it from the

internet My son will come downstairs

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from his room and he would say does

this make any sense and he'll blur

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out something and I'll be looking At

his mouth move without any context.

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I have no idea what he's saying that's

the con side of doing it with Ping

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Yingrui, is you get stuck thinking

about any English, but there are so many

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nuances that are required in the Chinese

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Eryn: Yeah.

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Tali: that tells you what the word is.

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And the same sound can

mean 25 different things.

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So without context, it was.

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He will always be like, you

don't know what I'm saying.

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No, I'm sorry.

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I just I have no idea But yeah, when

I first graduated I was a translator

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for a law firm I was hired to

translate Japanese electronic

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Engineering patents to English.

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And I don't have an

engineering background.

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So I remember in Japanese, one

sentence can go for entire paragraph.

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And they, and that you have to decipher

from the edges and then kind of

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slowly work your way into the middle.

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And I remember spending hours just trying

to figure out what one paragraph meant.

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And then I'll translate it into English.

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It wouldn't make any sense to me because

I don't have engineering background.

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I'll bring it to the lawyer

who hired me and my boss.

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And I'll say, does this

make any sense to you?

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He goes, yeah, it's perfect.

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Keep going.

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I'm like, okay.

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Eryn: Oh, that, that reminds me of

one of my favorite projects I had,

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actually, um, uh, translation project.

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Uh, this guy was trying to get into grad

school and he wanted me to translate

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his letter to apply to grad school.

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And it talked about his,

like, what has he done?

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Uh, he was an engineer.

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So I, I really, really loved doing

this, but at the same time, it was

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like, kind of, I don't know these words.

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I have to look up these words, but

it was, um, all about technical

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stuff that he'd done with robotics.

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And he did some amazing things like from

making a trash can that could, I to say

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in Chinese, it could tie up the bag, , by

itself when it knew the bag was full.

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, And all the way to, like, he wanted

to work with robotic eyeballs.

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And I'm just like, man, this guy is cool.

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I hope he gets into grad school and

I'm going to do my best to help him.

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So, yeah, , that was probably one of

my favorite projects that I ever did.

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And I, you know, I kind of forgot

about that until you said that.

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Like, yeah, that was a great project.

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What did your parents,

can I ask you a question?

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What did your, what did your

family think of you being

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interested in learning Japanese?

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Was there anything like, oh, they occupied

us, this is bad, why would you do this?

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Or was it good for you, this is cool,

you're learning about another culture,

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or this is your passion, we love it.

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What was this like for you?

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Tali: You know, that's

a really great question.

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I thought they would be really against

it because my mom grew up in Taiwan she

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was born right after the Japanese left.

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My dad had bad experiences,

during the war with the Japanese.

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So I thought that they

would be really against it.

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But that was back in the very early

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economy was just really surging.

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And everybody who wanted to go into

business wanted to study Japanese.

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So it was just a logical choice.

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And so when I told them I was going to

study Japanese, logically, they just

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thought, yeah, of course, because that's

where the world's going right now.

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But they never tried to stop me.

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And I don't know what

they thought exactly.

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They didn't share it with me.

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Eryn: Interesting.

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Tali: okay, let's jump into a little

bit more about your background.

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You mentioned that you are a libertarian.

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Eryn: Yes.

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Yes.

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So.

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Yeah, um, so, I'm a pretty

radical libertarian.

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Uh, I've, I got into libertarianism

kind of end of high school.

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I was thinking really hard about

And , at the time I was like,

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Oh, of course I'm a Republican.

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But then I kept saying , well,

they think these things and do I

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really think that these things,

uh, it seems a little arbitrary.

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And if there's one thing that I

hated, it was arbitrary rules.

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So naturally I became libertarian.

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And then it didn't take me very long.

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Cause I kept thinking about like, well.

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Okay, so, , how much

government do we really need?

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And so, I was, like, researching

this sort of idea, and, , freshman

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year of college, just in trying

to learn about natural rights.

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Like, there's this thing that I've

heard of called natural rights.

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That sounds very natural and simplistic.

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Why don't I learn more about that?

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And there was, just happened to be a

link at the bottom of the Wikipedia

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article, To a, then at the time, free

ebook, , and I read it and, uh, I was

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just like, it just walked me through all

the steps to why anarchy is a good idea.

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So now that's what I am.

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So I could say I'm an involuntarist.

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I could say I'm an anarcho capitalist.

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I could say I'm a libertarian.

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All these things are true, kind

of related concepts, but they're

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not really the same thing.

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But, um.

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I am all three.

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Uh, so yeah.

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And um, I guess as far as very earliest

background of why this philosophy, , it

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would be a shame not to mention my

dad was very libertarian leaning.

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He describes himself as libertarian.

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, and he would occasionally put things in

my head, like, uh, I was homeschooled.

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And I really liked that.

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I liked being homeschooled and he

was like, well, what if everybody

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voted to make homeschooling illegal?

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And I was just like, very indignant

about this because he was trying to say

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there's something better than democracy.

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And I'm just like, there, nothing

can be better than democracy.

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Like this is just a given of life.

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So, but he tried to put those ideas

in front of me very rarely, but I was

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not receptive until late high school.

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Late, late high school.

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, but he, like, I was part of the way

there, like, he also, , part of my

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homeschooling curriculum was, yeah, I had

to learn about economics, and I learned

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about economics in two different ways.

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, this was intentional on

the part of my parents.

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They wanted me to see, , what

do most people learn?

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It's like Keynesian economics.

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And then also there's another

way to think about things.

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Um, Austrian economics.

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So...

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Uh, I read the Keynesian economics book.

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I'm like, okay, whatever.

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And then I read, , things like,

whatever happened to penny candy, I

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think was the name of one of the books.

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Um, and then some other things

like chats with my parents

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and , there's this other way.

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And I'm like, oh, okay, whatever economics

was really not something I was very

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interested in, but I think that one made

more sense to me, but it didn't seem like

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an extremely controversial thing, at the

time, but of course it is, um, but uh,

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yeah, so there was exposure to ideas when

I was a kid, but that was never really

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where my focus was, was like money stuff,

definitely wasn't why I got into Thank

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This political philosophy at all either.

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I think that's not true for most

libertarians or anarchists or

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voluntarists, they often get into

it through the economics route.

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That wasn't it for me.

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It was about like.

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Honestly, like an idea of fairness

and , just a kind of radical idea

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of, I don't think that it's right

to interfere with other people.

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, so long as they're not

interfering with me.

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What does that actually look like

taken to its natural conclusion.

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. So, yeah, I guess I ended

up at the end of that road.

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Tali: Would you mind explaining

the nuances between those three?

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Eryn: Sure, I can try.

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, it's been a while since this was,

like, really, like, laid out perfectly.

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And I'm like, oh yeah, I get

how these things are different.

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, voluntarism basically means that human

interactions should be voluntary.

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You shouldn't compel other people.

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Force.

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, that's a very important part of my ideas.

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, anarcho capitalism is basically

anarchy, meaning no rulers, no rules,

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no rulers, , and in this sense,

what we're talking about is again,

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stuff, rulers who are based in like

initiating violence against people.

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It also embraces capitalism as kind

of a natural way to relate to others.

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that respects property rights.

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So, basically, like, if we're going

to have property rights, if we're

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going to say things like, oh, well,

I made this cup out of clay and fired

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it, , then, it's mine to sell or not.

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You can't then say,

oh, I get to take this.

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It's like, no.

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, so, you and I can come to an agreement

Like, what circumstances will I give the

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cup to you or maybe that circumstance

doesn't exist because I like it.

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I want to keep it, you know, I think

capitalism gets a bad rap because it's

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like a loaded word for a lot of people.

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But when I've seen this, , as a

concept and people are like dissing

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capitalism, I think that a lot of the

time they're wrapping other things

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into it that don't necessarily belong.

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And oftentimes have to do

with how capitalism presents

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in the context of the state.

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So, for example, one recent one that

I've heard is the idea of regulatory

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capture, which is basically like it,

like, for example, Kellogg cereal.

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We'll just say a cereal company, comes

up on the scene in kind of the wild

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west of cereal companies when no

one, , is really doing that and they

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make, , an amazing cereal kind of empire.

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Everyone wants to buy their cereal.

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Then they go to the state and say, Will

you pass some laws for me that that makes

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it difficult, to start a cereal company.

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, we have very, very stringent requirements

to start a cereal company now.

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, you have to pass this test and

that test, or maybe you have

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to produce a certain amount.

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, and, oh, it looks like it hurts me,

but it doesn't actually, because what

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it does is it keeps my competitors

from even coming up at all.

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So this is called regulatory capture.

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And this does not happen in anarchy,

because you don't have a state.

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That can do that sort of thing.

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You have to deal with your competitors.

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So it's just like pure capitalism.

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, and libertarianism is basically the

idea that we should maximize, we

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should work to maximize liberty.

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So, you'll then run into a lot

of libertarians who, like me, are

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also anarchists, also voluntarists.

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, most libertarians are voluntarists,

so maybe more or less agree.

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But, then you'll run into others

who are just, who are what we would

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call minarchists, which means...

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Oh, we should have as little government

as possible to promote liberty, because

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government cannot give you liberty,

government can only give you things

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that you gave them first, often things

that you were compelled to give them.

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So, these are basically how

I could define these things.

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Tali: I feel very ignorant

about these issues.

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I tend not to think too much about

political, , labels just because I just,

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I grow tired of, mudslinging every

four years And in between all that

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it's, it muddies the waters and I don't

understand what the heck is going on.

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I can't sort through what's

said as truth and lies.

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It's just gotten very confusing.

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And so I tend to just shy away from that.

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So I'm just going to ask follow

up questions out of my and

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Eryn: go for it.

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Tali: you want minimal government, in

what circumstance would you be happy

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that we have a body of enforcers for,

property rights and things like that?

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Because when there's No law whatsoever

the strong oppresses the weak.

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Can you help me understand how would

anarchy work if you need someone to

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help you protect your stuff from people

who are stronger with bad intentions?

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Eryn: so glad you asked that in exactly

that way, something that people commonly

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ask is like, What if warlords took over?

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And I just want to say, look, around you,

the warlords have already taken over.

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Your rights are under threat.

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They are...

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Reduced beyond what they should be.

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And this is all enforced

with the threat of violence.

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Where I live now, the outskirts of

DC, this is where the warlords are.

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They're here.

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And they're also literal warlords wreaking

havoc around the world with forever wars.

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So, it's already going on.

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What I want to do is get rid of warlords.

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I want there to be, I want

this to not be the situation.

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It should all be based on consent.

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And so like I would say, we agree

that it's important to protect

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our property rights, right?

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So I guess not everyone agrees.

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There are definitely people

who do not agree, but.

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, for the purposes of this conversation, I

think most people really do on some level.

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So, this is a service, just like

any other vitally important service,

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like getting food, getting water.

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Right now, the government does not provide

everyone food, and yet we get food.

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Right?

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How do we do that?

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Through the market.

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So, there's no real

reason we couldn't have...

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We couldn't hire people to

protect us, protect our property

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through the market as well.

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And this would probably be done

better because everything the

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government touches, they do badly.

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So everything the market touches can

be improved continually and actually

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suits what consumers really want.

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So It could be much, much better in ways

that we probably can't even predict.

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It will be fun to see

if it can ever happen.

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There are many different ways

in which this could go down.

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You could hire, , a protection agency.

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Your neighborhood can hire a protection

agency if you all agree to pitch in.

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Like, oh, there's a neighborhood

watch and , if there's a problem,

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then you can call them or they

may be patrol around or maybe not.

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It depends on what you guys want.

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, basically the market will provide

because that's what it does.

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, and in a better way than things that,

because there is no competition,

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because if there ever was competition,

then they would be thrown in jail

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or killed, it will be better.

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, , And just to clarify, , a minarchist would

want as little government as possible,

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well, I shouldn't even say government, as

little state as possible, so, government

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is a little more ambiguous of a term,

it can refer to, like, we associate it

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with the state, which is, they have the

monopoly on force, they are allowed,

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quote unquote, to initiate force, I

shouldn't even say quote unquote, by

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and large, we allow them to do this.

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This is just what we accept

as reasonable for some reason.

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, but government can refer to either that

because we associate it with that or

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with like civil governments, which can

just mean, Oh, we have these rules.

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It can be a little of an ambiguous term.

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So government is not always necessarily

a bad word, but I think the state.

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Is not a good thing.

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Tali: So.

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One of the first questions that popped

into my mind is, , how can we give

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consequence to people who do bad?

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If we don't have, , that central,

whatever you call it, government,

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, group of people how do we give

consequences, then, to the market?

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Eryn: Some of them might be like, because

we as a community have agreed to a certain

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set of rules, and you've been , outside

of that, , we don't want you to , shop

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at our store, we don't want you to use

this facility that, , to the rest of us

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is public, so you're basically exiled.

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, this is one thing.

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Another, another thing that I didn't

really get into as far as like, Oh, how,

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how will we have people to protect us?

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Um, is the idea that this can be done or

conceptualized sort of like insurance.

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So, just Like you might pay

into an insurance type of agency.

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Like, Oh, if I've done something that

has gotten me into trouble, maybe

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I didn't do it, maybe I did, , then

you'll help me work this out.

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If you do terrible things all the

time, that insurance might drop you.

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, so, then you're uninsured and maybe

no community wants you in to be there.

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Because, just like, you know, you might,

this is a bit of a, this is a bit of a

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weird, , one because This is also done

by the state, but like an example is , if

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you don't have car insurance, you can't

drive on the roads right now, right?

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So if you don't have, oh, I killed a

dude insurance or didn't kill a dude

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insurance, then you can't enter, right?

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Because clearly something

is wrong with you.

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If no one will insure you,

probably you've killed a dude.

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Um, so, this sort of thing.

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Tali: I guess the image that pops into

my mind , when you're talking about

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the community either accepting , or

basically ousting you based on your

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behavior is the scarlet letter, she

did something that the community

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disagree with and she basically was

ousted even though she wasn't exiled.

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So she was wearing the scarlet

letter and she had to live with

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the consequence of her choices.

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So.

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I don't know if that's better or worse

than the system we have now because then

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you're talking about a very small group

of people and in that case, it was the

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village that she was in dealing out the

consequence of behavior that they don't

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all agree with in that in some sense, I

feel like that's, that can also be very

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restrictive, unless you want to leave

that village and go to another village.

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Whereas now, as unfair as we think our

system is, you have the freedom To be

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who you are, depending on what that

is, or move to a different city and,

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because we're not all in villages

where people recognize each other,

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you can go from one city to another

and start over, maybe meet people who

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are like minded, that kind of thing.

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So I don't know, in my head, I,

that scenario comes up when a.

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Eryn: I might see it as easier to...

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Move away to another village or

something even larger or something

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even smaller Kind of community.

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I might see it is easier to make that

move and it be something radically

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different that maybe matches your values

under anarchy Because what we actually

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have is we have a federal government

and then that enforces a lot of laws

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across all 50 states Which, I think

originally were meant to be a little

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bit more different from each other than

the federal system has caused to happen.

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, and then within the state, , those are

pretty large areas as well, but if you

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actually had anarchy, it could be really,

really small, granular maps, right?

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, what kind of area is...

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is doing what kind of system.

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, it could be extremely different from one

place to another, or it might not be.

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There's really no way to know,

but I do think that it would be a

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little easier to start over maybe.

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, my husband is also an anarchist, and

he and I have talked about, we love

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talking philosophy and stuff, and we've

talked about , oh well, what if all

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the murderers, because they couldn't

get insured anywhere, what if they

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all went to live on Murderer Island,

and everyone on Murderer Island is a

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murderer, and, , I guess they're gonna

get along with each other as well as

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murderers can, but, they're where nobody

else wants to be, so, there they are.

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And it's kind of like the concept

maybe of a biblical city of refuge,

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like there is a place they can go.

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There's, there's that idea.

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I, I think that there's more room for

diversity under anarchy than there

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is under the system we have now.

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Because what you have is a very top down

system of enforcing rules that some,

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average of people have, over time, thought

up to set into stone instead of, oh, hey,

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well, we agreed to do this other way.

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You know, there's more

opportunity with freedom.

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, that's what I think anyway.

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Tali: What about national security?

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Then if everybody's just in their own

little like minded bubble, what about

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national security, what do you think?

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Eryn: Well, there wouldn't be a nation.

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, because it's anarchy,

there wouldn't be a state.

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I might also say a lot of what you

have in the world today with Wars

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and conflicts across the globe.

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What this is, is states

fighting each other.

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If you just had, , people, then you're

not going to have such a big problem

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with, Oh, well, we're going to muster

all the power of this forced taxation

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of the entire population of our

country, and we're going to make these

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:

weapons of war that can take out a

continent and cause fallout everywhere.

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And just absolutely destroy

everybody that what reason would

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somebody have to do this if they

are just trying to live their life.

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:

Um, so there's that aspect of it.

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But again, it kind of like the

insurance model is a fun one to

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:

think about, , problems such as

this, like, if this is really a

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:

problem, like, okay, and Kapistan,

as people like to call it exists,

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hypothetically here, and everyone's

just living their best capitalist life.

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:

Somehow people, instead of wanting to

trade with you, just want to blow you up

598

:

still, which I find a little less likely.

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:

I think that, , oh, there's

prosperity, let's trade with

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them instead of destroy them, is

probably a more reasonable reaction.

601

:

But let's say somebody still just wants

to blow y'all up, , what, what do you do?

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:

Maybe you actually perceive

this as a real threat.

603

:

And you have some kind of, , insurance

system that you voluntarily pay them

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:

to, , patrol the skies, patrol the

seas, and, , shoot down missiles.

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:

There's no reason this can't be voluntary.

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It's just, you have to actually believe

in it instead of have it taken from

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you whether you believe in it or not.

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:

I

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:

Tali: Well, if we look at it from game

theory, right now, most of the globe,

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aside from maybe the really remote

villages that are outside modern

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life, ? Most systems in the world

today are central government systems.

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:

So if you want to go the route that

you're envisioning, you kind of don't

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:

want to be the first one because the

moment you don't have a central protector,

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:

I want to just call it even though

that's really not what we mean, if we

615

:

theoretically, if we decided to become

a anarchist society, but the other

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countries haven't, they can come in force

and we would be just all divided and

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:

with no centralized way of, , gathering

resources with money and with people

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:

and with strategy to defend ourselves.

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:

Eryn: still see the centralized...

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:

And it's not even that it's

centralized, it's that it's

621

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non voluntary as the problem.

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:

Oh, some other people want to

make a state over you, when you

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:

just got rid of your last state.

624

:

How much worse off are you?

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:

You already had a bad state over you.

626

:

, I don't know, I think people

might be willing to figure out how

627

:

to keep that from happening, if

that's something they believe in.

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:

, I don't think being the

first one is necessarily bad.

629

:

, I think that, , probably somebody has to.

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:

,

You can see that there are many states in the world today, like

631

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you said, they're, they already

have varying degrees of, , how much

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:

freedom they allow people to have.

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:

Not all of them are at war with each

other, so I think there's something to

634

:

be said for, it's, it doesn't necessarily

follow that someone's going to invade

635

:

you right away, but even if they tried,

, you could do your best as a group of

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:

people, just without aggressing on each

other as well, and I don't see why you

637

:

don't have as much of a chance as a

state of the same size, you might have

638

:

a better chance because you're able to

cooperate voluntarily instead of, you

639

:

know, have disgruntled people who are

like, Yeah, I don't want to fight for you.

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:

People are going to be there

of their own free will.

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:

Tali: So it sounds like

the keyword is voluntary.

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:

Eryn: Mm hmm.

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:

Absolutely.

644

:

, I would encourage you and anybody

else to look up the idea of

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the non aggression principle.

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:

, there are other ways to approach anarchy.

647

:

There are like fully practical

ways to approach anarchy

648

:

that don't involve this idea.

649

:

But I love this idea.

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:

, and I hope that people will look

into it and just say, Hey, doesn't

651

:

this actually make a lot of sense?

652

:

Because I think it does.

653

:

Um, but yeah, that's the

core of it all, is voluntary.

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:

Don't steal from people.

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:

Don't threaten to hurt them to

get them to do what you want.

656

:

And that's what the state does best.

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:

Tali: Well, I'll just, circle back

to something you mentioned before.

658

:

You grew up, you were homeschooled,

and you're about to become a mom.

659

:

And I just remember specifically

when my kids were younger, , trying

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:

to decide between two assumptions.

661

:

Since you study Chinese, I assume that

you know the Chinese three letter poetry.

662

:

I don't know how it's exactly translated.

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:

Eryn: Yeah, isn't this called like sansi?

664

:

Is that it?

665

:

Okay.

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:

Tali: And so what is the

first three words say?

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:

People are born good.

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:

Right.

669

:

Well, actually the first six

words, people are born good.

670

:

Whereas in the Western

culture with Christianity and

671

:

Judaism, people are born bad.

672

:

If you make one assumption and you follow

it, then you can say, everybody has the

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:

innate desire to be good and successful.

674

:

That's their nature.

675

:

If you look at children, not

the abused children, but.

676

:

children, they are happy they have

to learn the rules of engagement.

677

:

Of course, because they might grab

snacks out of somebody's hand,

678

:

but they, they show more love

more freely than adults, really.

679

:

But if you make the assumption that

they are born bad, and we have to

680

:

correct their behavior, and now

you have the requirement to put in.

681

:

rules and guidelines and train

them out of their badness.

682

:

So I think it depends on what

assumption we follow when we're

683

:

looking at people in general.

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:

Eryn: Hmm.

685

:

So, yeah, I might, as a Christian

person, I might give a little more

686

:

nuance to the Christian position.

687

:

There are definitely people who do

believe that people are born bad.

688

:

This is a simple black and white issue.

689

:

My own perspective is...

690

:

We're all images of God and

we were created to be good.

691

:

We do have a fallen nature.

692

:

We're not going to be completely good.

693

:

But to me, this means it's more of a mix.

694

:

, people are born to be good, but also bad.

695

:

And that's what you end up seeing.

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:

. So, there is a tendency to long for

God, there's a tendency to seek after

697

:

him, and then there's also a tendency

to fall short of that, and to pursue

698

:

our fleshly desires, , both happen,

, so, I would just add that nuance, but

699

:

yeah, your assumption of what people

are like Is going to color how you see

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:

the world and how you raise children

and just how you deal with everyone.

701

:

, but I would say this.

702

:

I would say no matter what you think,

, if you believe people are bad, then why

703

:

would you want a government made of people

to rule over other people because then

704

:

you just have the bad leading the bad.

705

:

This isn't going to work.

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:

If you believe people are

good, then why don't you want

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:

to leave people alone, right?

708

:

Let them pursue their interests,

because, but yeah, from my own

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:

perspective is a blend of these two.

710

:

, Because that's, I guess, how

I see the world of people.

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:

Tali: Yeah, thank you for

clarifying the nuance.

712

:

I totally understand what you're saying.

713

:

And yeah, I mean, people are a blend.

714

:

But I do think that as parents and

as as the way we perceive our daily

715

:

experiences, what you assume Gives you

meaning to your experiences, right?

716

:

So I love this discussion.

717

:

This has been really fun.

718

:

Let's bring it back to Bitcoin

719

:

Eryn: Yeah!

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:

Tali: Let's talk Bitcoin

721

:

Eryn: Cool, cool.

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:

Yeah, this is fun.

723

:

Tali: Let's talk about how you first

heard about Bitcoin and Let's talk about

724

:

your journey from discovery to conviction

725

:

Eryn: All right.

726

:

, so, I was in college and, like I

mentioned, freshman year of college,

727

:

, very early on, I discovered anarchy.

728

:

And I decided I'm going

to tell everyone about it.

729

:

, This was just, , I had been raised to

not talk about anything controversial,

730

:

don't talk about politics with anyone,

don't talk about religion with anyone,

731

:

unless you're really, really, really

sure they're interested, and just be

732

:

really careful what you say, or people

might not like you, and then they might

733

:

be mean to you, and it's like, oh, yes,

yes, of course, this makes lots of sense.

734

:

I felt very stifled on some level.

735

:

That was through high school,

basically just very carefully reading

736

:

situations to see who can I reveal

my inner thoughts to, and keeping

737

:

it shallow with everyone else.

738

:

And I decided because I was sick of

that college is going to be different.

739

:

I'm going to make sure

everyone knows the real me.

740

:

And if they don't like

it, then that's fine.

741

:

And if they like it, then that's great.

742

:

So I'm going to be outspoken and loud

and completely change my personality.

743

:

So I did.

744

:

. Um, I went around talking about anarchy

all the time, and yeah, so people knew

745

:

that's what I liked, people knew that's

what I thought, and my one friend came

746

:

up to me and said, have you heard about

Bitcoin, and I'm like, no, , and he

747

:

said, it seems like something you might

like, because it's a different sort

748

:

of currency that isn't controlled by

the state, and it's all electronic,

749

:

and then that's where he lost me,

because I was not an economist, and

750

:

My perspective was, whatever people

want to use as currency, that's fine.

751

:

Oh, hey, it doesn't involve

the state, that's great.

752

:

But it doesn't sound good to me because I

think everything should be based on gold.

753

:

, gold is the only thing that makes sense.

754

:

Uh, good parrot voice.

755

:

, this is what I thought.

756

:

, cause, like...

757

:

I guess I had been convinced, , it's very

hard money, you can't easily inflate it,

758

:

and it doesn't decay, and everybody has

seen it as valuable for most of human

759

:

history across most Human cultures, , of

course, not all, , but, , that sort of

760

:

idea had , kind of default captured me.

761

:

This is a very common thing to hear in

the circles that I was looking at online.

762

:

And Bitcoin was very, very new.

763

:

So let me tell you how new it was

when my friend told me about this.

764

:

One Bitcoin was worth ten US dollars.

765

:

So I could have gone out

there and bought Bitcoin.

766

:

Several Bitcoin if I hadn't been

so stingy as a poor student.

767

:

, but also I wasn't really that interested

because I'm like, it's not gold.

768

:

It's just a computer code.

769

:

People can make more of that.

770

:

Why would anyone care about this?

771

:

, but I'm like more power to them,

find whatever you want to do.

772

:

I don't think that, currency

has to be like legal tender.

773

:

I think use what you want.

774

:

And to do the market in whatever

way that's fine for you, but

775

:

I'm going to get gold someday.

776

:

, and of course I had some second

thoughts and you know, I'm

777

:

like, well, what if I'm wrong?

778

:

And I looked a little bit into, well, how

do I get some, like, how do you mine it?

779

:

And I'm like, I don't know

how to set this stuff up.

780

:

I'm not that technical.

781

:

I'm basically computer savvy for

a millennial, but , I don't know

782

:

how to set up a Bitcoin miner.

783

:

none of that seemed accessible at all.

784

:

Like the idea of a wallet even

didn't seem accessible at all.

785

:

So I gave up.

786

:

I'm like, no, I can't figure this out.

787

:

And it's, plus it's like 10.

788

:

So like, nah, I'm going to save

that for some concert tickets.

789

:

So.

790

:

I slept on that.

791

:

And then years later, I didn't even

think about it really that much anymore.

792

:

And then I kinda heard, oh hey,

there were thousands of dollars now.

793

:

And I'm like, wait, what?

794

:

Okay.

795

:

Still doesn't make a lot of

sense to me, but whatever.

796

:

Again, still thinking.

797

:

You do you, folks.

798

:

, if you want to trade with

computer money, cool, whatever.

799

:

I don't care.

800

:

I'll get gold or silver or something

or heck even seeds for plants and I

801

:

don't know These all seemed more valuable

to me But you know, it's just sort of

802

:

I still felt like man if only I had

gotten like I had the kind of short term

803

:

mentality at that point about Bitcoin.

804

:

I didn't really see it as a competitor

to fiat currency that was going to last

805

:

yet, but I still felt like if only I

had figured out How to get some 10

806

:

Bitcoin I'd be able to afford land and a

house by now because I would could sell

807

:

it and get land in a house and that's

what I really want still to this day.

808

:

So I'm like, if only I had done that

the idea of Hey, this is actually

809

:

really a revelation that could change

the world and make it difficult for

810

:

states to exist my arch nemesis, right?

811

:

Um, because.

812

:

If they can't control your money,

it's harder to control you.

813

:

And you can look into what happened

to the Canadian truckers during COVID,

814

:

their protest to see what I mean by that.

815

:

I mean, just hearing about that

even kind of made me go, Oh, hey.

816

:

Yeah, okay.

817

:

So people are using this

to circumvent the state.

818

:

That's great.

819

:

And then also I heard about there

were some women who were fleeing

820

:

persecution in some country in

the Middle East, and I can't tell

821

:

you which one, but they were being

persecuted and they decided to leave.

822

:

And if they had gone through, of course,

their state's official sanctioned

823

:

methods of getting their money out of

the country, they would have lost it all.

824

:

So instead what they did

is they memorized their...

825

:

keys and they fled and then they

went and put in their keys in

826

:

another country that's safer and they

were able to get all their money.

827

:

I'm like, Hmm, cool.

828

:

This allowed women to flee

persecution from the state.

829

:

And I'm just like, this is really great.

830

:

I think this is fantastic.

831

:

I can't remember if I heard stories

like that before or after meeting

832

:

my husband, but, , my husband is

the one who talks to me more about

833

:

Bitcoin as we were getting to know

each other and answered my questions

834

:

about how can this really be valuable?

835

:

How can this really not be inflated?

836

:

Things that I didn't actually

understand, like, okay, sure.

837

:

So there's 21 million of them, but

, they can just change the code, right.

838

:

And make more it's , no,

actually that's not.

839

:

Going to happen and why I didn't

know really that until talking

840

:

to him and I'm not saying , Oh,

it has to be your significant

841

:

other who gets you into Bitcoin.

842

:

It happened to be that for me, but I

would say, , If you're sitting on the

843

:

fence and you want to know more, just

find somebody who knowledgeable to

844

:

talk to, , find a Bitcoin meetup, there

will be someone there who is overjoyed,

845

:

thrilled to talk to you about Bitcoin

and explain all the little details.

846

:

Don't be intimidated.

847

:

Don't be scared of asking dumb questions.

848

:

Ask whatever questions and

they'll explain it to you.

849

:

, they're just like anything else in life.

850

:

If you want to learn it, then you

can find an expert and learn it.

851

:

, and yeah, do I wish that

I had done that sooner?

852

:

Yeah, that would have been cool, but

it just wasn't on my radar screen.

853

:

, but I think it's important, and I

think that as time goes on, it's going

854

:

to be more important for everybody.

855

:

It's going to come to mind more.

856

:

As we see what inflation is doing both

here and around the world, and as we

857

:

see what deep banking is doing very

close to home and possibly even here at

858

:

home, coming soon to a bank near you.

859

:

, this is an important concept.

860

:

And I recommend everyone look into

it through whatever means they can.

861

:

Tali: I just want to add, , a caveat

about looking up Bitcoin meetups.

862

:

There are a lot of Bitcoin meetups

that are labeled as Bitcoin meetups,

863

:

but they're actually not Bitcoin.

864

:

They're Cryptocurrency

trading investment clubs.

865

:

So just, be careful

looking at Bitcoin meetups.

866

:

One way to make sure it's

Bitcoin only is to, attend

867

:

and listen to the conversations.

868

:

If they bring out any other coin

and say you should invest in this,

869

:

you should run the other way.

870

:

, you can also go to bitcoinonly.

871

:

com or bitcoinevents.

872

:

com.

873

:

Those are Bitcoin only, so.

874

:

But yeah, meetup is kind of the wild,

wild West, I feel like when you when

875

:

it talks about cryptocurrency and web

three and all that stuff, they all

876

:

seem like they fall in the same bucket.

877

:

But you and I know that

Bitcoin stands alone.

878

:

So

879

:

Eryn: Yes.

880

:

Yes.

881

:

That was something really

interesting to discover.

882

:

Thank you so much for saying that.

883

:

, I guess I've been spoiled because

the only Bitcoin meetups I've been

884

:

to have been basically run by Maxis.

885

:

I am approaching Bitcoin no longer from

an investment standpoint, like, Oh, I

886

:

should have gotten them when they were

cheap and sold them when they were high.

887

:

So I could get land.

888

:

I'm not there anymore.

889

:

I am like.

890

:

true believer in like, this is the

hardest money that will ever exist.

891

:

And I think it's really going to do

some amazing things that I really like.

892

:

I'm very much a promoter of it in it

alone, because yeah, that was another

893

:

thing that I was going through too, is

Back before learning more about Bitcoin,

894

:

I was like, well, there's all these

other cryptocurrencies out there too.

895

:

, how am I going to sort

through which one is the best?

896

:

Do they make sense?

897

:

And , there's an information

overload out there.

898

:

, just none of them have the

same qualities Bitcoin does.

899

:

They don't have, , like an important

things that the founder is anonymous.

900

:

So that person cannot be manipulated.

901

:

, another is that it has this

network effect already.

902

:

So lots of people are using

it already is what I mean.

903

:

, they're still working on it.

904

:

They're building things to make it.

905

:

useful.

906

:

, you don't really see this so much.

907

:

, it's actually not inflatable.

908

:

There's a cap on how much there is.

909

:

You're not just making

them out of nothing.

910

:

There's a lot of things about

Bitcoin that you cannot say

911

:

about any other cryptocurrency.

912

:

, or maybe you can say one or

two things, but not all of the

913

:

things it's, it's very special.

914

:

It does stand alone.

915

:

So I would Definitely be wary of

anyone who's telling you, Oh, I

916

:

think that you should get a bunch of

Bitcoin sell it when it reaches like

917

:

blah, blah, blah amount of money.

918

:

. This is not what Bitcoin is for.

919

:

Or that tells you like, Oh, I also hold

blah blah blah coin and blah blah blah

920

:

coin because, they're going places.

921

:

It's like, are you sure that you

understand what Bitcoin does?

922

:

Are you sure that you

understand what Bitcoin is for?

923

:

, if people are saying

that, maybe they don't.

924

:

And it's not that...

925

:

There can't be anyone at

the meetup who is like that,

926

:

sometimes people will say things

like that, but that doesn't mean

927

:

like the whole group is like that.

928

:

And so the conversation is is richer and

there are people there to talk to about

929

:

Bitcoin exclusively and using it as a

parallel currency and a better currency.

930

:

, so those people are there.

931

:

And if that's at least true, then it

could be a good place to go and get

932

:

more information to those people.

933

:

Don't talk to the people who are

just investing in it temporarily Like

934

:

it's any other kind of stock or or

something because that's not the point

935

:

Tali: So how has Understanding

Bitcoin changed the way you

936

:

conduct your life, practically.

937

:

Eryn: Oh, that's a really good question.

938

:

I guess it's just kind of deep into

my understanding of a fiat currency

939

:

and its failings and of these

other alt coins and their failings.

940

:

I guess most of it has been theoretical,

but to me theory is a big part of my life.

941

:

So, it's given me other things to think

about, other ways to see the world.

942

:

And it's given me some hope for the

future because it is good that there

943

:

is something that can't be controlled

through force and violence, that

944

:

people can turn to and use as money.

945

:

It is.

946

:

Really a nice thing to think about, like,

oh, hey, this is not going anywhere.

947

:

, and they just learn more and more things,

like, people will often say, like, oh,

948

:

well, what if the electrical grid goes

down, or what if the internet goes down,

949

:

then you won't have your Bitcoin anymore.

950

:

And it's just...

951

:

Like on the one, on the one hand, it's

like if either of those things happen,

952

:

you have a lot of problems, , do

you really think your fiat money is

953

:

going to be valuable at that point?

954

:

, or even gold, when people

are literally starving, you

955

:

might have some serious issues.

956

:

. Not that starving is the first emergency

that comes, but enough emergencies

957

:

come if either of those things go down.

958

:

You have very serious problems first.

959

:

But even then, I have just recently

learned things like there are ways that

960

:

people have finagled to exchange Bitcoin

with each other through ham radio.

961

:

And through something that I

don't fully understand, but I'm

962

:

like, I like to see this article.

963

:

, I think it's some kind of

local neighborhood network that

964

:

you don't need the internet.

965

:

You don't need central electrical grid.

966

:

You can still trade your Bitcoin.

967

:

You can still use your Bitcoin.

968

:

And of course, like if

it's a temporary emergency.

969

:

You can hold on to your keys

and then use them later.

970

:

This is always true.

971

:

So that is really great So yeah, It

has given me some hope for, , the

972

:

vagaries of life, that there's

something that can maybe withstand that.

973

:

Other ways that it's affected my daily

life, , aside from, , going to meetings

974

:

about Bitcoin and earning Bitcoin.

975

:

I mean, those are just some, , practical

parts of my life that it's affected

976

:

is, , now I do those things.

977

:

Uh, so,

978

:

Tali: yeah, before, before we wrap up,

let's quickly talk about your pottery.

979

:

Eryn: Oh, yeah.

980

:

Okay.

981

:

Not only have I translated and

earned Bitcoin, but I've also

982

:

done pottery and earned Bitcoin.

983

:

, I make pottery, and most of them,

most of the pieces, I will accept

984

:

either fiat currency or Bitcoin.

985

:

And if you do...

986

:

Pay me in Bitcoin, then

you'll get Bitcoin discount.

987

:

, but then there are the Bitcoin themed

pieces that I will only sell for Bitcoin

988

:

and actually they've been my best seller.

989

:

. Post things on Noster.

990

:

And I, , also go and

sell things in person.

991

:

So far, I've only really sold things

in person, but I have hope for the

992

:

future on the other things, this

is all still pretty new for me.

993

:

But yeah, I've sold every single

Bitcoin themed thing that I have

994

:

made so far, so I'm making more

995

:

, and that's pretty cool.

996

:

That's a good feeling.

997

:

Tali: And, , can people find you on

Nosterf if they're interested in , the

998

:

Bitcoin themed pottery that you make?

999

:

Eryn: Yes, they definitely

can, I'll be posting about

:

01:00:40,479 --> 01:00:43,049

those things as they come up.

:

01:00:43,464 --> 01:00:48,324

, completed, and it's a little bit

complicated to look someone up on

:

01:00:48,334 --> 01:00:53,744

Noster, , the best bet is to look for

what's called their NPUB, which is a long

:

01:00:53,774 --> 01:00:55,564

and crazy string of letters and numbers.

:

01:00:55,564 --> 01:00:59,284

So I'll just give that to you, Tali,

and maybe we can put that in the

:

01:00:59,284 --> 01:01:03,474

show notes if they want to follow

me on Noster, , that would be cool.

:

01:01:03,759 --> 01:01:07,659

And then they will get a heads up whenever

I complete a piece of pottery, including

:

01:01:07,699 --> 01:01:09,829

a Bitcoin game board if they want it.

:

01:01:10,924 --> 01:01:11,444

Tali: Awesome.

:

01:01:11,654 --> 01:01:14,804

Thank you so much for spending

time to chat with me.

:

01:01:14,934 --> 01:01:15,824

That was really fun.

:

01:01:16,184 --> 01:01:17,044

I learned a lot.

:

01:01:17,614 --> 01:01:18,264

Eryn: Oh, cool.

:

01:01:18,684 --> 01:01:19,174

Thanks.

:

01:01:20,124 --> 01:01:21,154

I had a lot of fun too.

:

01:01:23,044 --> 01:01:26,344

Tali: Thanks for joining us today . If

the discussion with our guests

:

01:01:26,394 --> 01:01:29,854

resonated with you and you would

like to dive deeper into the world of

:

01:01:29,884 --> 01:01:34,164

Bitcoin, don't miss out on joining the

Orange Hatter Women's Reading Club.

:

01:01:34,584 --> 01:01:36,304

The meetup link is in the show notes.

:

01:01:36,734 --> 01:01:40,754

Also, if there are women in your life

whom you think would both enjoy and

:

01:01:40,774 --> 01:01:44,754

benefit from learning more about Bitcoin,

please share Orange Hatter with them.

:

01:01:45,414 --> 01:01:46,964

Until next time, bye!

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"Hello everyone, I'm Tali! If you had met me a few years back, you'd have found me in the thick of homeschooling my four incredible kids. That was my world for two decades, filled with lesson plans, school projects, and a whole lot of beautiful chaos. But once they all graduated, a new and unexpected journey began for me - in the world of Bitcoin.

The spark was lit by my husband, nudging me towards this peculiar thing known as Bitcoin. At first, I resisted. After all, the complexity of Bitcoin was intimidating and my plate was already quite full. But he persisted, and even went as far as creating a bitcoin-mining board game, HODL UP, to teach me what it was. Before I knew it, I was orange-pilled, and my curiosity was piqued. What started as a casual dip of my toes soon turned into a fascinating dive into Bitcoin. Like my homeschooling journey, I took it slow, one baby step at a time, learning and adapting as I delved deeper.

Fast-forward to today, I am absolutely thrilled to share my Bitcoin adventures with all you amazing and busy women out there through this podcast. I've made sure the episodes are bite-sized and easy to follow, perfect for your coffee breaks or while running errands. My goal? To share my experiences and the experiences of other women in Bitcoin in an engaging, easily digestible way. Don't let time constraints or technical jargon stop you from diving into Bitcoin. As your friendly guide, I hope to provide a grounded, relatable perspective to help you navigate the Bitcoin rabbit hole. So, here's to us exploring this thrilling digital frontier together!